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Posted by Dora_Lee 17 days ago

Former Trainee Exposes Dark Side of Kpop


In this video Evangeline talks about the time she was scouted by DSP Media, and speaks out against the mistreatment of KPOP trainees and idols, such as the lack of freedom and unfair contracts. She also discusses some important considerations prospective trainees should make before auditioning.



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Kpop_Script 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

Her opinion is right but this article should not have title "Former Trainee" since she didn't accept the offer to be a trainee.

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jokbal_is_yum 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

Yeah.....
It's a real crap-shoot (and always has been but even more so these days with the saturation of too many K-pop groups/solo artists all competing for eyeballs/ears/cash).

Not every K-pop artist or group will be able to make it to the point where they're able to finally pay off their trainee debt and start earning money for themselves - basically, it's still indentured servitude.
You only have to go to any online K-pop site that has records of groups and see those which managed to debut but then get disbanded soon afterward - or even never manage to make it to their debut at all. There are many more than you'd think in that category.
That's gotta hurt.
;___;

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The_Doctor 17 days ago 8
17 days ago

Man this is a very good review and I think this deserves to be pinned to this page just so people can get a good idea of what being a Kpop star is all about. Personally I don't understand how SM continues to sign artists.

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jokbal_is_yum 17 days ago 7
17 days ago

ikr??? After seeing the chart she posted, SM really squeezes blood (cash) out of a turnip (the artist) more than practically any of the other 2 big 3.

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eeddee 17 days ago 5
17 days ago

Well the thing is that profit distribution chart she showed isn't completely correct. If I remember right it was first posted on Korean forum Pann few years ago without any source by some random person. Then it was translated to English and then it spread everywhere among international kpop fans who just decided to believe it.

The contracts TVXQ had with SM was actually released to public by Seoul court when JYJ SM lawsuit happened in 2009 so we have detailed information about it.

For example that chart on the video said in Korea SM idols get 5% and SM 95 % of profits. When actually it is just from Korean album sales and it is share of revenue not profit. Also what many people don't know is that it is same for JYP their artists also get 5% share of Korean album sales revenue and I wouldn't be surprised if it was something similar/close to that for other companies as well.

From other Korean activities like concert, events, CFs, individual activities like dramas, etc.. they get 65% share of the profits while SM get 35% share.

That overseas profit part was actually right SM artists get 70% and SM 30% of the profits from activities outside of Korea like for example Japanese concerts.

So contrary to popular believe SM actually have one of the best contracts when it comes to a profit distribution + the fact their artist don't have to pay back their trainee debt and the fact SM is one of the big 3 where you have much higher chance of actually becoming successful compared to some smaller companies it is no surprise many people want to get into SM.

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yeahkpop16 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

If you think about it, there are only a few "turnips" that the companies can actually make money from while they invest hundreds of thousands of $ on training wannabe kpop stars that may or may not succeed if and when they debut. So those few "turnips" that actually do make money are their only way of both making the money back, as well as make a profit. In addition, they have to make that $ during the few years the "turnip" is popular because kpop is usually about the next new thing. Entertainment companies aren't charitable organizations. As public companies, they have to show that they're growing and making more year over year. It's not like "we make this much, we're good."

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Kosmo_Lap 16 days ago 1
16 days ago

I was a former trainee of one of the agencies in South Korea but I left because the company told me to act innocent and cute and to practice saying that I don't have a significant other. They taught me to pretend to be nice to the fans when there are cameras around even though those fans are ugly and make me puke just looking at them.


I realised that I am better off leaving because I want to be true to myself.

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krell 16 days ago 0
16 days ago

Being a K-pop Idol is definitely NOT for everyone. And, in general, being at least somewhat friendly to 'FANS' who may NOT be that likable, is a *big part* of it. ESPECIALLY when a K-pop Group does DEBUT and is just trying to SURVIVE and build a FAN BASE. The 'payoff' is more the BIG MONEY PAYMENT (eventual?) that *some* K-pop Idols earn it. And if you look at the K-pop Idols, a LOT of them 'dream' to be able to transition into an ACTING ROLES work situation in the NEAR future. Because ACTING ROLES requires a LOT LESS 'Fan Interaction' overall than being a K-pop Idol.

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krell 16 days ago 0
16 days ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/36a7gl/as_of_5132015_i_am_no_longer_a_trainee_at_sm/

USA Citizen and SMe TRAINEE ; who left after two years ; NO DEBT, just time spent ; Part 1 ; 2015.05.13


https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/36c84t/i_was_told_to_post_this_here_maybe_you_guys_had/

USA Citizen and SMe TRAINEE ; who left after two years ; NO DEBT, just time spent ; Part 2 ; 2015.05.13


These two above URLs are a 'good read' on the SMe TRAINEE situation for a USA citizen (Male). His viewpoint, would be that he left because it was NOT CLEAR as to WHY that HE PERSONALLY was going to DEBUT (small chance). Also, he felt that he was NOT so much a 'Creative Musical Talent.' But rather a 'Performer' of the 'songs and concepts' created by OTHERS ('PLOOPY' mentioned this too). Some of his message content is 'repeating' too ; just as warning.

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krell 16 days ago 1
16 days ago

A K-pop 'issue' that 'PLOOPY' did NOT address it:
K-pop is very much a MALE dominated business. And with some of the 'lesser' (lower tier) K-pop Agencies, there can be an aspect of the MALE MANAGERS doing some 'sexual hitting' on the Female Trainees. And even with more 'experienced' and established 'Talent' ; that can happen. The CLARA LEE situation with the then POLARIS Agency CEO does come to mind. It ended up in S.K COURT 'Legal Activity' before they agreed privately to part ways -->

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2015/07/prosecution-clears-clara-of-suspicion-of-blackmailing-polaris-ceo-charges-the-ceo-instead-for-threatening-clara


Also, there is the 'issue' of *established* K-pop Talent 'sexually hitting' on 'lesser' Female TRAINEE Talent. The situation with (BigBang) TOP and HAN SEO HEE (TRAINEE ; but experienced, multiple Agencies) comes to mind -->

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2018/10/han-seo-hee-shares-an-angry-post-seeming-to-target-top-says-she-has-more-to-reveal

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krell 16 days ago 0
16 days ago

Also, I agree with others who commented that the larger size K-pop firms (SMe ; YGe ; JYPe ; etc) allow their TRAINEES to LEAVE with a mostly 'NO DEBT' situation. The 'lesser' (lower tier) K-pop Agencies ; it may NOT be that way. It *varies* on IF that a TRAINEE does *owe* MONEY to a K-pop Agency even if say the GROUP does DEBUT and FAILS. And the S.K LAW related to a MODEL CONTRACT does *only* apply to the LARGER SIZE K-pop Agencies. The *smaller* K-pop Agencies ; that MODEL CONTRACT LAW has NO EFFECT on them ; does NOT apply ... But also, even in a 'No Debt but Leaving' the K-pop Agency situation ; there have been more than a few instances of say 7 YEARS of TRAINEE activity, and NO DEBUT with a K-pop Group ('PLOOPY' mentioned that). That has happened at SMe Agency, for example.

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