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Posted by smott 26 days ago

Things that annoy me as an "old" K-Pop fan

So I've listened to K-Pop since 2011 and many of my friends started to listen to it around 2016 or even later. Actually, there are a lot of people who started listening to it around that time. I'm not saying that everyone is like that but here are just some things that get me a little worked up.


1. Bands/Artist

A lot of the new K-Pop fans are Army's. Now there is nothing wrong with that. I am actually really glad that BTS let the world know that amazing non-American artist exist. If you like them or not, you can't deny the impact they had / have in the K-Pop community.

BUT just listening to BTS doesn't make you a K-Pop fan. Just like only listening to Drake doesn't magically transform you into a Rap fan. And there is nothing wrong eth that. But it gets me really mad when I find out, that someone is a "K-Pop" fan and only listens to BTS. I mean no shade but if you don't only listen to "mainstream K-Pop artist"(BLACKPINK, BTS, Exo) and don't know legit legends like DBKS, BIG BANG, Super Junior, T-Ara, then I'm judging!

2. Disbandments

Now this is something a little bit more tricky. Disbandments are always hard and I wish that your favorite Band will stay together for a long time. But what they need to understand is, that no K-Pop group, famous or not, will and can stay together forever.

I went through a lot of disbandments or like groups who are on hiatus for like 5 years or a member left and honestly, that's hard but that is something you have to deal with. And I might be wrong with that but I have that feeling that newer K-Pop fans don't really understand that. Maybe because they never went through disbandment yet or maybe the discovered groups like 4Mintue, Co-Ed School and MBLAQ after they already disbanded/went on hiatus.


3. The Cringe

A lot (and I mean a LOT) of K-Pop fans are pure cringe. Now that is not a problem I have as someone who listens to K-Pop a little longer but in general. I just have that stupid feeling that with each and every year the K-Pop community gets younger and more cringe. I can't even exactly pinpoint what I dislike but you can legit see when someone is a K-Pop fan. I mean I have merch and wear it sometimes, but then there are those guys who wear it 24/7, get mad when you don't know or listen to their favorite band and talk about them non-stop. I mean I do want to talk about K-Pop ( you know, gossip about the new tea) but that doesn't mean that I want a friendship where you just want to talk about "how sexy your bias looked"

4. The Sadness

Now here is the real tea. When I discovered K-Pop, I tried to show it to some of my friends and they kind of laughed at me. Back in 2011, only a few people overseas listened to that music. So it was even before the Gangnam Style time.

I now have that: I liked it before it was cool complex. And the: you laughed at me when I wanted to show you that, and now you want to introduce me to k-pop like you discovered it and act like I never tried to talk to you about that topic.

(do you know what I mean)

Also in 2019, the new K-Pop stans don't have to go through that "embarrass" time. Like when I started with the whole K-pop thing, the idols went through a really interesting fashion style and when someone asked you, what type of music you like, I was embarrassed to say that I like K-Pop. Mainly because it was not known, and trying to explain that was hard and then showing them an MV that wasn't "funny looking" was also hard. Now when you get asked what type of music you like, you can just say K-Pop without completely making a fool of yourself when trying to explain it (except for your parents maybe).

5. Not acknowledging other artists

This might be my BIGGEST pet peeve. I don't care how successful BTS, Exo, BLACK PINK, Seventeen etc. are. Fact is: They are all so successful because groups like BIG BANG, DBSK/TVXQ, H.O.T, SNSD etc. exist. If they weren't so successful your faves couldn't stand on stage now. You don't have to like them but at least acknowledge that they DID / DO have a great impact in / on the K-Pop community. And without BTS, Got7, I.Kon etc. the new K-Pop groups to come wouldn't be successful.

All the generations build each other. And let's be honest. If some of them failed MAYBE K-Pop wouldn't be as big as it is now. MAYBE your bias wouldn't have been inspired by it and never auditioned. Just think about how many idols said: "When I was younger and saw [.....] on stage, that when I knew I wanted to become a singer.

  1. After School
  2. Big Bang
  3. (Bangtan Boys) BTS
  4. EXO
  5. Girls' Generation
  6. U-KISS
  7. 2NE1
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tenty_tenty 26 days ago 9
26 days ago

I would like to add just one more thing , the obsession of new fans with MV views and points, sales, awards.. no one enjoys music for the sake of it, rarely do I see a normal comment under videos of popular groups , usually it is a countdown till Xmillion views; and furthermore if a certain group doesn't have MV views they automatically become "flops". I just wish people would enjoy Kpop more as a beautiful variety of groups and music styles, and appreciate the meaning and effort invested in songs by the artists and not give it some numerical value.

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hiroonakamura 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

well said. nothing makes me as irritated as these damned "x has now Y million youtube views" articles and comments.

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Jzee_Hamilton 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

Streaming definitely changed the music landscape. Album sales plummeted since 2011 as many artists concentrate more on singles. They tend to put few singles specifically into playlist in streaming platforms such as Spotify and Apple Music, thus reducing the importance of an entire album. I also found it very annoying that in many popular MVs, comments are all about views and target. No comments about music or quality. Views are not organic.


As for k-pop in general, though it has been evolving for decades, became more visible globally in the past ten years. K-pop artists continued to hit the Billboard Hot 100 chart since Wonder Girls ‘Nobody’ in 2009, who was the first to do so. Big Bang and Psy then invaded into American culture. Before BTS (my fave band at the moment btw, no hate), Seo Taiji and Boys bravely challenged and addressed social issues/norms with American infused hip-hop music. They pioneered socially conscious k-pop group 26 years ago. BTS in their early days showed how much their music approach was influenced to a certain extent, by Seo Taiji (check out BTS remake of Seo Taiji’s ‘Come Back Home’) and Big Bang. Nobody should undermine contribution made by the older generation. Younger artists derive inspiration and learn from them. They should keep on reinventing and challenging themselves to be better, as what the seniors before them did before.

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RyenLux 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Comparing views and sales have always been a thing in the entertainment industry though, not just K-pop, but I get what you mean. Nothing irks me more than defining the quality of a song or album through numbers and statistics.

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ratmonster 26 days ago 36
26 days ago

Armys ruined kpop. Not the music, just the “fandom/stanning” aspect of it. I will never tell anyone I like BTS for as long as I live because the embarrassment at being put in the same catagory as armys is just too unbearable for me. Remember when armys weren’t this angry, rabid, obsessive teenage girl cult? Yeah those were good times. And I’m talking about the girls you spoke about, the ones that aren’t actually kpop fans but they only stan bts. Now none kpop fans think people who like kpop are cancerous armys. I know this will get me hate but I wanted to say it

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way0leto 26 days ago 2
26 days ago

i used to like BTS and listen to BTS songs before during danger and war of hormone days... but i don't really listen to their songs now because of some immature and over armys... i dont hate BTS honestly.. and i am not the fan either.. my feeling now is natural.

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gizzo507 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Which is totally fine. I appreciate the way you put it and I don't believe you should get any hate for this. I do believe fans can put someone off a group only if you stay and interact with kpop community in general (not just their fans). Alot of people might not even have had a personal bad encounter and just go by what others say about a fandom but, its human nature. From my personal experience, we can only be free of this bias if we just hear the music and don't read anything or know anything bout the fandom or other things. Like I had listened to kpop music for years almost without any interaction with any fandom, including news stuff. But, the moment I became an Army interaction became ineveitable because I became an active participant, in turn I started to conjure a dislike for a certain group due to their fans. A year into it I realised that is not me and I am not the kind of person to generalize. I am biased as an Army now but I try to not care bout fans etc. etc. when I listen to other groups.

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Ryu_Shi 9 days ago 0
9 days ago

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Though I miss that 2014-15 era of BTS those songs had that raw charm. But now the songs they are producing has messages too.. and because of those messages BTS were invited to UN for UNICEF project and give speech about violence and self-love.

And the reason you are not listening to their songs anymore is total crap! ARMYs are not there in their songs. Quite a obnoxious way to blame and give excuse for not listening to them. It's like I won't eat pizza because it is loved by my immature neighbour.

And mind ya ARMYs are much more mature and sensible if you'll come out of your judgemental blindfold!

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Kavira 26 days ago 7
26 days ago

The "ARMY" have gotten out of hand, I mean there are a lot of supporting fans, but the amount of crazy fangirls that will attack other groups for no reason is why the kpop community is as toxic as it is today. All groups and fandoms have always had the bad apples, who are filled with toxicity and just wanna flame anyone that comes close to their oppas/noonas, but it's a real shame that ARMYs have evidently showed that so much more than the rest in kpop. smh

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elitejay3452 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

I totaly agree with you, it's the same thing for me, I like BTS' music but the community is what I hate the most, that is also part of the reason why I started putting my attention on smaller groups who have music just as good (if not sometimes better) than minstream groups with the addition of a smaller, less obssesive, community.

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ParktomyJimin 26 days ago 13
26 days ago

I totally agree with you, although I'm not a 2011 fan but a 2014 fan, I relate to this on another level. And another peeve worth mentioning is the fact that the newer fans LOVE and I mean LOVE starting wars with other fandoms like???? Really???? They really out here defaming the entire kpop fans and it creates a bad image of us to everyone. I'm sick of apologizing for the newer fans disgusting behaviour. Okay cool, I'm glad kpop is getting more fans but they really need to learn to watch themselves. Once upon a time we were appreciated as being very peaceful fandoms and now we're known as people who mock others after their deaths like the whole Sean Dolan thing. But yeah I totally get you, I love bts - I'm a hard-core army but I can also never ever neglect my kings and queens from big bang and snsd and super junior etc.

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Waf_Niel 26 days ago 5
26 days ago

I listened to kpop eversince 2007. Wondergirls got me into kpop. And then I got hooked onto snsd. I rarely like any boys groups at that time and yoona (snsd) was my girl-crush...the good old time...


Lo and behold, I am a hardcore army now. I have never bought a kpop album, never did voting and streaming. But now I am voting and streaming for BTS. And BTS album is the first kpop album that I bought. I am not sure how other armys will be in the next 20 years but I will be stanning BTS for a loooonngggg time.

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Annash756 25 days ago 1
25 days ago

It’s been years since I logged into Allkpop and didnsononly so I could comment on this article. OMG so relatable. I actually got into Kdrama in 2006 ( KBS was free on Dish Network and I was flipping through channels) and Kpop in 2007 when KBS aired the making of “Don’t Don” by Super Junior. From there I went online and discovered more Super Junior, DBSK, Big Bang, Rain. Became a huge fan of Rain and then SS501 until they disbanded and then and since have been a fan of Big Bang and recently BTS. I totally relate to everything the article says especially when their was no one to share my love with and know it’s slowly becoming mainstream. It’s good but it upsets me because today’s fans act like they know more and have been fans longer. I mean people from my era don’t only love Big Bang or TVXQ/ SNSD etc we also like some song from SEO Taiji and The Boys or H.O.T because our favorite groups of the time were fans of theirs. I mean if your a fan of kpop pre Gangnam Style days you could have easily relate to the Infinity Challenge special Saturday Saturday Singers. Although I’m so happy more people are liking Kpop, I hate when they think they know and understand more compared to those who have been here since the beginning of the mainstream era and the start of the Hallyu Wave.

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Meggie08 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

You and me, we need to add each other on social media 😂 lmao. I cannot find anyone from 2nd gen to be friends with! It's so hard! I did a poll on Amino for average age... it was 18-20 with almost no one older 🙄.

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Sassysly555 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

I was big into girls generation, big bang, 2ne1 and all the other oldies but goodies as well, and I dont think I know how to stream and have no time for that anyway lol

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gizzo507 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Same girl! I have been listening to kpop since 2008 but never did all that till BTS XD

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DG225 (Banned) 25 days ago 3
25 days ago

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BiasIsLucas 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

I'm a 2014 fan too :) and i definitely agree with ya

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jokerfish 26 days ago 1
26 days ago

I just need young fans to stop claims their faves are first to do something. Kpop has already stepped on the shoulders of previous groups to reach higher. So your group might be the most successful now, but they got there because of earlier groups and there will always be a group that comes and climbs higher.

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L7842 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

Well said.

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Ohboy69 26 days ago 11
26 days ago

I'm a hella old fan for Kpop standards, and you're right in every point you made. Someone else mentioned numbers, and I also hate how focused on numbers and obsessive younger fans get. It's not right, it creates conflict, and it's not a healthy way to enjoy music. I like being a fan of smaller groups, because smaller fandoms don't really care that much, they accepted they're not going to reach the EXO or BTS level, so they simply focus on enjoying music rather than VOTING and STREAMING 24/7, and fighting other fandoms.


One more thing is that baby fans seem to accept everything at face value, and they don't allow any criticism. Just because you like someone doesn't mean everything they put out is of high quality (and if your idol does something obviously wrong, you don't defend them. If you can't bring yourself to criticise them for it, take a step back and stay quiet). Constructive criticism is what helps people grow, and while I understand that some teenagers might not get it yet, there is a whole bunch of 20/22 year olds who still don't get the concept.


I noticed that there actually aren't that many active, "old" Kpop fans (I don't mean in Korea, obviously), or at least they aren't very visible anymore. You've got a lot of baby fans that grow out of it after a while, as if liking Korean music is just a phase.

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Annash756 25 days ago 5
25 days ago

2006 Kpop fan here. Just don’t comment and compete with the baby fans, enjoy the music without fighting against baby fans who can’t handle any criticism

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snowxlove 25 days ago 4
25 days ago

You're right.... being an "old" KPOP fan, I don't bother to comment and "compete with baby fans" either. I've been a KPOP fan since 2002 (so I'm probably considered "ancient"), listening to BoA, Fin.K.L., 1TYM, Shinhwa, Sechkies, etc. Youtube didn't even exist back then, so the only way to listen to their music or watch their videos was to download them, which took longer than anyone would have patience for today. I enjoyed KPOP for the music and the showmanship that I didn't get from American music. I never cared about how well the song was doing on charts or how many wins it possessed because it simply didn't matter back then. I have nothing against fans rooting for their favorites but these fan wars are immature and outright pointless. To the world, KPOP is a collective entity. It doesn't matter who's on top.

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pwswan 26 days ago 3
26 days ago

As far as your third paragraph, Korean idol music is just like idol music in the rest of the world: it's designed for teenagers and they're expected to "outgrow" idol music. US idol music has been around long enough for nostalgia to set in and for 1960s-1990s idol groups to come back and play, basically, to the same audience. Korean idol music is only starting to be old enough for its original fans to become nostalgic for the music of their teens.

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airboy 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I hate It that can't say something a bit negative about a group or song without some fanatic fans get mad. I mean, we should be able to bring up both good and bad things about artist and songs without starting to use insults.,......

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HeartOfNature 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

Finally someone speaks about this! I agree with everything in this post!

The golden era of K-Pop is unknown to the new listeners of K-Pop, and it’s really sad because they paved the way for these artists. And when we would mention those now legendary groups, we’d get made fun of. And now you’re “cool” if you listen to K-Pop (particularly BTS & BlackPink, love them btw)? Why was I a loser for listening to it way before the majority of people?

Honestly, I hate the people that only listen to BTS and BlackPink and claim to be huge fans. Why are you just now listening, now that it’s a hype? Why didn’t you do that before? Honestly, they’re all fake to me, and I’m sorry. But it genuinely gets me mad - the way those fans think. They’re cringey. Immature. Disrespectful.

Finally someone made a post about this.

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Kavira 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

Yeah, I totally agree. It's hard to not feel annoyed when all of a sudden kpop is played everywhere and then everyone starts calling themselves armys (nothing wrong with that, BTS is pre lit) But it's gotten over saturated real fast, nowadays companies are putting groups together through audition shows, nobody's got chemistry anymore. The whole scene is starting to feel kinda inorganic and it's just not the same as it used to be. Nowadays, I'm mostly just waiting for comebacks and checkout new groups every so often, it is what it is.

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K_aus 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

Preaching to the choir! I miss the days where YouTube views meant nothing and there weren’t fans of groups constantly bashing other groups. When I started listening to kpop in 2011 it was such a friendly community but now not so much which is terribly unfortunate. I miss those days

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Elf_lover 26 days ago 3
26 days ago

I got into K pop in 2011 as well and I'm now 50 so not your average K pop fan. I agree with some of these but my main pet peeve are the fans themselves. Some fandoms can be toxic, and just spread hate and negativity around and ruin it for the ones who just want to enjoy and support their bias groups music. At times I feel I'm way too old for that nonsense, but my love for the music is too strong so I try to ignore it. The disbandments are hard to deal with especially for legendary groups, but unfortunately it's inevitable. Yes, K pop can be different from mainstream but my love for it will continue until I'm either way too "senior" for it or I have lost enjoyment.

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Nina14red 24 days ago 0
24 days ago

🤚🏾 hi been listening since 2012, and I'm over 30. Nice to meet you

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teleri 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Oh, I'm over 50 and got into KPop in 2011!

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Gold_Chilli 10 days ago 0
10 days ago

I’m also over 50 and been into Kpop since 2011 or so. Just went to a Momland concert in Dubai. Took the wife and her younger nephew along as they are also big fans of kpop. We try not to play favorites and try to stay away from the BS. No matter the artist or group if a song is good we listen to it and if not then we don’t listen to it.

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shineexoworld 25 days ago 2
25 days ago

I totally agree with the first point. It’a fine to support BTS, but it really annoys me when the fans go around saying that they are the best and label it as a ‘fact’, I’ve come across armies who say that ‘we don’t care about the rest of kpop, bts is so different, there compose their own music, dance really well, etc.’ Yes that’s true but, when I ask them what they know about the rest of kpop, if they know the legends, the 1/2nd gen kpop groups or even groups like seventeen, NCT (the more recent ones), they say that they are not good, and can’t beat BTS, like come one man, don’t say anything about the other groups if you don’t know shit about them, just support BTS and quit comparing them to other groups, or bringing other groups down. Being an army is fine, but being an ignorant army IS NOT, it’s just childish and so immature and so disrespectful. Do you think BTS just because popular all of a sudden? No, they looked up to their seniors before them, and worked hard just like how their seniors did to achieve their fame and popularity. And so did the many other groups out there, training for hours, going against huge competitions amongst trainees, really wish armies wouldn’t say such senseless things that undermine the hard work ALL kpop groups put in.

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Meggie08 25 days ago 1
25 days ago

number one thing that drives me mad, I 100% agree

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shineexoworld 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

You know there was once I replied to a comment from an army on a bts YouTube video, saying that she shouldn’t be bringing other kpop groups down (she mentioned that ‘the rest of kpop is shit’), and then after I told her she shouldn’t say such things and then a whole bunch of other ARMYs started supporting her and asking me to get lost?? I wasn’t even rude in my reply?? One of them went to check out some groups I mentioned that I felt were a good listen/ talented, and she said ‘I checked those groups out they were shit, give me my time back!’ I was really pissed at that point, what in the world has become of ARMY fans??

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nadroky 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

wow! Looks like this article brought out all the old Kpoppers XD ..
I agree with all the points but would like to point out that this would be applicable to only 60% of the kpop fan community. But because the weightage is on the higher side, it seems to be the standout trait.

I have been into Kpop since the 2006/2007 period [right when Se7en was moving out and BB was moving in], been a fan since 2009 and have been on the forums since 2010. I have seen fans from the first through to the current generation - and each one had their own take on it. I remember when First Gen fans used to get grumpy cause the Second was leaning towards auto tune :)

Each Gen fans have their own pet peeves but it would nice if those who identify themselves as Kpop fans truly listen to Kpop and are not just consider it another fashion trend. Kpop is a genre all by itself - expecting it to give in to Western standards kind of loses the originality that made it stand out in the first place.


And as an old kpop fan, I am going to go fancrazy and say that 20+ years later - many Kpop groups have come and gone. Both First and Second Gen have prominent groups who have not only made a name for themselves but have managed to pave a solid career [irrespective of whether they are as famous now]. I would like to see how many of the current generation will have the same impact 10 years later...


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thesiiiiickest 26 days ago 2
26 days ago

I like your post, but your #1 bothers me. People can like whatever they want to like. Music is for FUN. I don't expect a 2 page report on the history of Kpop just because you like the melody of 1 Korean song. And I'm also not going to force someone to listen to hot or god...

The biggest problem with kpop is people are WAYY TOO SERIOUS. It's just music! It's entertainment! The elitism has to stop, it's just music dude.

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Mhizdarhmey 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Exactly...... Honestly i listen to bts songs the most.. I only hav few blackpink songs, one exo song and some interesting songs from g-idle kard and got7 bt i only stan BTS.... It's my choice... I just can't bring myself to stan another group and it's not my fault... It's bcos i don't really enjoy them and it's my choice.... But people failing to respect other's choice is the problem of kpop today..they want everyone to like what they like.. Who does that?

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cheesecake19 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

BRO, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL MY KPOP LIFE? YOU NEED TO BOLD THIS AND CAP THIS. THANK YOU FOR EXISTING.

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ExoWeAreOneOT12 26 days ago 8
26 days ago

kpop fans from 2011 considrered old kpop fans now , then what am I been listening to kpop since 2005 , am I ancinet legandary kpop fan 😂

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lunawinter 26 days ago 2
26 days ago

Yup.. the first kpop song I got into was Bi(Rain) - it's raining. :| 2004. 2nd gen groups etc. I'm glad though, I think kpop was the best it's ever been up until about 2014, not that it isn't good now but I feel lucky to have seen so many amazing groups grow from the beginning (seen a lot of them end too which is hard as a fan). It's just not the same anymore... dunno.

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jeilyneh15 25 days ago 1
25 days ago

we also saw a lot of questionable outfits 😂

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lunawinter 24 days ago 0
24 days ago

Hells yeah XD

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bubbajee 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

apparently, you'll fall under the fossil category now :D

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Annash756 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Honey 2006er here. 2nd gen all the way

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Annash756 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Thank you Smott for touching a nerve. It’s been years since I logged into Allkpop and did so only so I could comment on this article. OMG so relatable. I actually got into Kdrama in 2006 ( KBS was free on Dish Network and I was flipping through channels) and Kpop in 2007 when KBS aired the making of “Don’t Don” by Super Junior. From there I went online and discovered more Super Junior, DBSK, Big Bang, Rain. Became a huge fan of Rain and then SS501 until they disbanded and then and since have been a fan of Big Bang and recently BTS. I totally relate to everything the article says especially when their was no one to share my love with and know it’s slowly becoming mainstream. It’s good but it upsets me because today’s fans act like they know more and have been fans longer. I mean people from my era don’t only love Big Bang or TVXQ/ SNSD etc we also like some song from SEO Taiji and The Boys or H.O.T because our favorite groups of the time were fans of theirs. I mean if your a fan of kpop pre Gangnam Style days you could have easily relate to the Infinity Challenge special Saturday Saturday Singers. Although I’m so happy more people are liking Kpop, I hate when they think they know and understand more compared to those who have been here since the beginning of the mainstream era and the start of the Hallyu Wave.

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xxivu 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I should write an article as a really old Kpop fan from the 90s lol

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Daxel 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Hmm, as a kpop fan that didn't start listening until... I want to say 2015/2016, probably? Idk, Whenever, that one channel that does elder, teens, kids react videos posted the reaction to kpop. It was the one with um... I want to say BTS Dope was in it? Either way, it got me interested to hear more. So I started listening to BTS, they got me into KPop, for a while they were the only group I listened to, but I did branch out after a while. Started listening to some EXO, liked them. Some Monsta X, another one or two? Idk, I have a specific taste to music, so I tried with the older style of music and most of those do not vibe with me at all. LIke, I acknowledge they paved the way and everything and I respect that, but I couldn't get in to them.


But um, it took me a year and a half or so before I became an actual kpop fan. I listen to multiple groups, I listen to a good deal of underground K-hip hop as well, so a good hip hop sound is always bound to get my attention. It's the style of music that most kpop groups have nowadays which is partly why I listen to as many as I do. Some are able to catch my attention without that sound, BTS have switch up their style so much, but the songs are still good so that's fine. EXO always change their style, but it's also nearly always good. Mamamoo as well.


So, as a new kpop fan, I acknowledge the older groups and the fact that they paved the way. I've even given their older music a try and I can honestly say it isn't for me, no disrespect, my style is very obvious at this point so there's a reason for that. Like, I like Vixx now and the last two comebacks 4Minute had before disbandment, but when I go back to listen to their older music, nah fam! But um, there's not really much that annoy me. I am an ARMY, though I don't be wild with it or anything I guess. Though, it is annoying when some of you other fandomers list ARMY as a whole as a problem. Like, some of y'all fandoms have problematic children as well, so let's like... try to be a bit more specific, people. Don't villanize an entire fandom because of a more vocal problematic minority, thank you. I also get annoyed with sensitive fandomers, like, If I make a joke, don't take it so seriously, I've gotten into one to many arguments here with sensitive fandomers. IJS

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Sassysly555 26 days ago 4
26 days ago

I just wanna say that I'm kinda with you on this post, I'm 36 and have been listen to kpop for a very very long long ...yes long time lol so I understand how you feel. I enjoyed the small groups of fans I was apart of for certain bands, but then it seemed to explode overnight with psy! The kpop world has changed so much, some of it for the good, but I've seen so much negative kpop life. I 10000000000%agree with you about the army, now that's not to say armys have gotten along with other fandoms but I feel it's gotten so bad these past couple of years, if you say you like more groups then some army will give you this backstabbing look lol. They are very young and dont understand that yes, you can and are allowed to like and follow other artist lol they must think bts only listen to their own music lol .

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Ashandae 25 days ago 1
25 days ago

That's so rare to see a fan above 30! Nice to meet u (we're on the same boat) xD

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Nina14red 24 days ago 0
24 days ago

We're out here lol

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Meggie08 25 days ago 1
25 days ago

I'm 30! Been liking kpop since 2006! Add me on snapchat guys O(>_<)O!!! Megster9946

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jeilyneh15 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I'll add you. I believe I'm joohyunc_15 on SC..... something like that

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snoewflake 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I completely agree with the whole post. The thing that annoys me the most is when the "younger/newer fans" completely disrespects groups like Super Junior, Big Bang, and even Shinhwa etc. Like how can people be so disrespectful to the ones who paved the road for their now favorite groups? And I can't understand how some people have to hate on all other groups that aren't their favourite. Like I have a lot of groups I listen too but there are also a lot I choose not to cause their music isn't to my taste. But I don't go hating on them and disregard their hard work. Lastly... something that just annoys me. When I go to a Mv and then read the comments, very often I see a lot of "*fandom* Here to support *Group which the Mv is of*" Like come on. It is nice you are supporting the group but there is no need to announce your favourite group. Also it tilts me so hard when people are only commenting on how handsome or pretty the actress or actor is in the MV, and nothing about the actual Mv or music. Like come on show some respect for the group.

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Lulita 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

This actually describes me. I started to like kpop in 2012 and it was really hard back then. It was embarrassing to talk about them. But now so many people started to like kpop but they are really cringe and talk about then 24/7, write random korean phrases everywhere, say random korean words unconsciously tbh it gives kpop fans a bad reputation. And I stan a lot of groups like Infinite, highlight, shinee... but a lot of people don't know them and it makes me really annoyed. They think that kpop is all about bts and disrespect older idol groups and their achievements.

Thank God none of the groups I stan disbanded yet. But they're all going to the military and it makes me really sad cuz tbh there aren't many rookie groups that grabbed my attention yet.

Also so many people brag about their bias group's success and achievements but that doesn't make them better. Its so off putting.

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aimetop 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I'm totally agreeing with you, everything is so on point. I'm a kpop fan from 2007. During those days, if u found a person that like kpop you will feel so happy. And along the way, we just support every kpop artist, as long as they have great songs. The year end music festival & award shows collaboration stage are the most anticipated. & one of my favorite is Idol big Show. i miss those days.

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MonbebeMystique 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

I agree with everything you said!

Even though I'm in my early 20's I feel like an old soul. I've always loved groups like sechskies and 2ne1 and now that i'm a MonstaX fan, I feel like as the years go by, the kpop community keeps changing and not in a good way. Social media became toxic and intolerant over the years, thats one of the reasons why I barely comment on anything anymore.

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mamochan821 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I am K-pop fan since 2009 and totally agree with you, girl! The other day when my young friend found out that I have been a K-pop fan for a decade, she looked at me like "you, adjumma, listen to such a cool new stuff?" LoL

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Ultimate_Keio 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

There a so many on point things you said and feel the same way. I'm now at the age of 46 and came over to Kpop having been a long time Jpop and Visual Kei fan. BoA was a HUGE impact on me after being exposed to her Japanese releases of Valenti, Amazing Kiss and Every Heart. Artists like S.E.S. I started following just because Eugene had grown up in Guam (like myself) and felt the need to learn more about Korean Pop music. I then found Shinhwa, having listened to Eric and Andy having contributed to the S.E.S. single I'm Your Girl. It led me deeper into Kpop as i found myself transitioning from Jpop into the Kpop world. I haven't looked back since.


4. The Sadness - is where I totally I can relate. People having no idea or understanding to what i was listening to and facing ridicule for it. Thank for an incredible post. On point. Well said.

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youcangoeatshit 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

The most annoying thing about new fans is how they don't understand that BoA is GOD and that no one before and after her are better than her as an artist.

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EskiePt 26 days ago 2
26 days ago

I kind of agree with most parts, except for this super hypocritical comment : "I mean no shade but if you don't only listen to "mainstream K-Pop artist"(BLACKPINK, BTS, Exo) and don't know legit legends like DBKS, BIG BANG, Super Junior, T-Ara, then I'm judging!"


Of course new kpop fans will mostly listen to the most popular groups of this generation, just like you listened to BIG BANG, Super Junior, T-Ara who were the mainstream artists when YOU got into kpop. That is like me throwing shade at you for not listening to Shinwa, H.OT, god, Sechskies or Chakra who the previous generation would claim are the real legends..

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jokerfish 26 days ago 1
26 days ago

I would say this is mostly a good point but Big Bang, Super Junior are still active where H.O.T, Shinwa weren't.


For us oldies it was knowing people like BoA, Hyori, TVXQ

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EskiePt 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

True, still it is only natural that new younger fans will be more into younger groups and listen to them rather then older ones. It's the circle of kpop.. or just "pop" in general to be honest. There will always be a pop cultural generational gap, its not a kpop issue exclusively

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BB79XQ 24 days ago 0
24 days ago

I started kpop when I was 5 in 1997 with the debut of HOT...that being said, as great and flashy as kpop is today, in my opinion, the greatest kpop era was late 90s and early 00s. To this day, I still listen to kpop, but I always find my way back to these older songs/groups like 1TYM, HOT, shinhwa, sgwannabe, vibe, chakra, koyote, baby vox, click b, god, take, brown eyes, etc...these days, I've also started going back further into 80s music like dulgukhwa, lee sun hees older music, kim kwang seok, yoo jae ha and those are really good as well...


It makes me sad when I meet younger kpop fans but they would never give older music/groups a chance...


One thing that really irks me though had to do with groups rather than fans though, is the massive amount of members in newer groups...super junior was hard enough for me to remember, but these days there are so many that I can't keep up...I also think it's unfair to some members as well because we can all agree that there are a few members who are more like back up dancers than singers.

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JulieSBB 24 days ago 0
24 days ago

I've been a fan of kpop for 10 years now, and I can relate to all of this points. I remember when nobody knew about kpop in the "West" and I was so excited whenever I met a kpop fan. Even if we didn't listen to the same groups we were happy to learn about each other groups and share our thoughts.

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sayuri123 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I could relate to this article while I was reading... I do agree that newer Kpop fans are so dramatic in many ways. can’t they clam down a bir? this article makes me feel old coz it was almost 10/11 years since I got into Kpop...


I first got into Kpop because of TVXQ’s Purple Line after hearing that part “I really want to touch myself”. I was like “Wait...did he actually sing that?” Searched up on the net and started following them..... I thought they were Japanese Group coz that “Purple Line” I came across was in Japenese...”I was like wow...they are Korean bur can speaks Japanese fluently. Their vocals so steady and their dance are sooo sharp and cool. And the most important things...they look soooi handsome”.


After that their friends’ group - Big Bang, SS501, Super Junior, BoA, and their Juniors, F.T.Island, C.N.Blue, 2PM, 2AM, UKISS, MBLAQ, etc... those days were golden era and embarrassing coz of Kpop’s most elaborate fashion senses. Whenever I showed my friends my favourite The first I got from my friends were “What’s that clothes he wearing?” and “Is he wearing eyeliner?” especially Super Junior and Shinee videos....Before Kpop became mainstream, my friends didn’t get why I love Kpop. it’s hard to explain so I told them you really need to follow them in order to understand why. TVXQ’s disbandment was my first really shocking news but, in a way, opened up about the ugly side of Kpop.


Compare to nowadays Kpop’s music, I love the Kpop music that they produced during that time more . But it’s not that I don’t like the Kpop music. I still listen Kpop music but I just prefer old Kpop musics.


What skills I learned from following Kpop? Research and fact findings/gathering skills on the net, especially because of JYJ’s law suits...lol... There weren’t lots of things about my favourite group around that time on the net.

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Ah_Chuu 26 days ago 2
26 days ago

Pretty much all of this is just fan elitism though...


I feel like I keep saying the same thing this week in particular, but like 99% of things Kpop fans think are problems these days are caused by caring too much about what a bunch of other totally irrelevant fans are thinking and doing.


If you have such objections to people not knowing veteran or disbanded groups that are critical to the industry, what are you doing to help them learn? Point out to them how S.E.S. is the blueprint for the cute/refreshing girl groups that came after, how S.E.S. vs. Fin.K.L was that era's almighty struggle for girl group domination (and how Fin.K.L set the trend for bizarre group names...). Tell them about BoA, a teenage girl who took Japan by storm when Koreans just did not promote in Japan. Show them some of DBSK's early hits and see what they think of a group made of five main vocals. I still remember the first time I heard tracks from their Christmas album, it really hit me that these Korean pop stars were vocally every bit as worthwhile as the singers my parents admired. If you really care about new fans understanding the legends rather than just having an excuse to criticise them, you need to share your memories and enthusiasm or you just come across like someone's bitter grandmother who just *knows* what her grandkids listen to is inferior compared to Frank Sinatra.

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Ultimate_Keio 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I can see how fan elitism can come across. If you check my post I just shared my experiences on how i came to Kpop. Also what it was like having to endure some negativity and ridicule for what i was listening to back then. I in no way find myself above anyone else just because I had been exposed twenty years ago. I'm just a lot older. Good points Ah_Chuu.

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Bear2 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Well that just how fandom culture is. Good point tho.

Pointing out, educate new fan and sharing memories -- This is a problem too you know. Many old kpop fan does that but some new fan doesnt really like to hear it. They think old kpop fan just want to brag. I'm not saying there are none old kpop fan who purely just want to brag, but many are genuinely just want to share. But if the respond that they got are an insult that is why fandom war happen. It goes both way.

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stan_ateez 26 days ago 3
26 days ago

I got into kpop when i was 13 back in 2015 and my first group was actually bigbang/bts/exo......those were the groups that got me into kpop but i wasn't as into it as i am now. for a year i would just listen to a few songs or whatever but then in 2017 it became my favorite genre (i still listen to other music though). I see a lot of young people or people my age (15) not liking older groups because "they're like 30" and i just kind of look at them crazy because what does age have to do with good music....for example.....suju, they're all pretty old but i love them half to death and tvxq (dbsk) i just got into them about a year ago, yunho is my bias. I love bigbang so much they could be my ults tbh. I just don't understand why people dont like older groups now. Some new rookie groups im really into is ATEEZ(my babies, pre-debut atiny here) and Oneus( still getting into them). Tbh you guys should really check out ATEEZ though, they don't even seem like a rookie group.

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DG225 (Banned) 25 days ago 2
25 days ago

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teleri 25 days ago 1
25 days ago

Love Up10tion :D I've seen them in concert twice (once at KCon NY) and they are fabulous :D

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25 days ago

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KpopForLifeExo 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

I can't believe someone put it into words! I have been listening to kpop since 2008. The era when BIGBANG were still considered "rookies" and SHINee was just starting out and many legends were just starting to gain popularity. I have noticed this a lot and I have the I" knew it and found it cool before you"-complex. It is funny to see it in words.

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lilflowergrl 26 days ago 2
26 days ago

Oh man, this article makes me feel so old! I started listening to K-Pop in 2004-2005 when Rain came out with It's Raining and TVXQ was just promoting Rising Sun. I'm still in my twenties only!

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lunawinter 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

It's raining was the first song to get me into kpop, those were the days. I'm 29 but I feel ancient in the kpop world xD

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jeilyneh15 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

oh my gosh same!

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geronimogrey 26 days ago 1
26 days ago

But Bigbang is mainstream and successful band (as well as other mentioned bands) Strange problems. LOL First world XDXDXD

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dentistivo 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

But maintain it for 13 years is no joke.. Bigbang still on top even after those scandals, meanwhile other group become a mess after just one blow

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pipster8 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

Is no one gonna point out how he used a picture of After School and wrote Co-ed School?

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Kare03 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

I think you are right. I am really new in this world (half a year only) but I found everything you whrite about true. It is insane how some people act in this comunity. They don’t respect other groups and each other. I am truely not a fan of any group, I just really like the music and listening over 50 groups and bands. And in this six months I met only one people who actually listen K-pop, the others make fun of me even in 2019.

Back to the topic, yes the comunity is getting younger, but it’s a normal thing untill they can act normal and communicate with each other in a normal way. But as I see, some people atack everyone who has different oppinion than him/her. And as other said they only care about views, sales, wins ...ect and they don’t enjoy the music itself

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beashineeshawol 23 days ago 1
23 days ago

You're an "old" fan?! I have been a fan since 2006 so I prefer to call you middle aged lol. I was into K-pop back when this site used to mock the genre so I feel ancient in the fandom. I feel all these feel so hard though. #3 is so real and #4 is high-key super annoying. Maybe that's just my inner hipster coming out "I liked them before they were popular." Another I'd add to the list is "so-and-so looks like a girl." HE'S A BOY! BEING SKINNY AND HAVING LONG HAIR DOESN'T MAKE HIM A GIRL! *rage* As an old fan, it's also just really weird to have groups debuting where everyone in the group is younger than me. I think NCT was the first group where I had that happen and it was weird as all get out. Taeil is techincally a chingu but he was born later in the year than me. Maybe it's just because I got into Kpop when I was so young. so it's weird to see perfectly of age to debut kids have birthdays in 99 (or even the dreaded 00s). Man I'm getting old.

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teleri 5 days ago 0
5 days ago

I heard MY first KPop song in 1992 (Hawaii - Seo Taiji & the Boys - thought they were JRock LOL)

I didn't really differentiate between any Asian pop - thought of it all as JRock. I'd LISTEN to the MUSIC, you see. No streaming, no video, mainly hearing it on soundtracks of anime & Asian films. So I'd heard a ton of songs by the time I discovered KDramas and actually figured out KPop was a thing (thanks to SHINee....and, although it gags me, Boys Over Flowers - from which I got my love of JHJ as well).
So I'm truly an ancient KPop fan LOL LOL LOL

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JasperAnne 24 days ago 0
24 days ago

There was a lot that I agree with. Some that I don't.

My first Kpop MV was Haru Haru by Bigbang. I cried and that was it. I was in. I discovered Shinee, GG, BEG, 2NE1, Infinite, EXO, BTS. I loved them all. I like listening to different groups.


Good music is good music. Good MVs are good MVs. Though I'm an ARMY, i didn't like DNA or Idol. I liked Fake Love, Epiphany, Euphoria. Spring Day is still my all time fave. I like Sunggyu's solo stuff. I like Twice's discography except maybe Yes or Yes.


Yeah, ppl who like only BTS shouldn't call themselves Kpop fans.But I don't like the reverse either. That fandoms need to like other Kpop groups also. I recently read a rant from a fan of disbanded group that blamed Armys for their group disband sice Armys didn't support the group's music. The group was totally unheard of and so why is it Armys have to search out other groups. Most Armys are Kpop fans. Some are GP who became BTS fans but don't like other Kpop music. That's understandable.


I hate when new Kpop fans don't appreciate their stan's sunbae groups. Recently there was some talk about a sunbae trying to diss a junior group member during the latter's debut. (It was just the hoobae talking about how nervous he was and how he appreciated the sunbae talking to him.) Older fans had to talk down the young ones coz the new fans had no idea about the emotion the hoobae was talking with.

As a Kpop fan, i think it's important for each of us to understand the history of Kpop and its roots. Even if you just watch Reply 1997, a basic idea of Kpop fan culture can be explained. Each group was legendary in their time. They were the stepping stones for the next generation.

Also the Armys are toxic thing is just relative i think.

First generation idol fans physically fought, VIPs were called toxic, EXO-Ls have been and are still called toxic...Toxicity depends on the size and no. of younger fans in the fandom. Every fan group was once immature and grew out of it. Thats what I strongly believe and hope for. *Fingers crossed*

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shf_ren 25 days ago 3
25 days ago

I've been listening to japanese music since the end of the 90's and got to korean music in 2007 (thanks to FT Island "Love Sick")... I've been through all those feelings you're talking about. I was so annoyed when Gangnam Style went viral... I mean, who didn't have this conversation at that time ? :

- People : "What music do you like ?"

- Me: "Korean Music mostly".

- People : "OMG ME TOO !! OPPA GANGNAM STYLE !!" *start moving their arms*

- Me : (-_-)

And it's even worse with BTS. What I get now is "OMG you're one of those crazy girls at your age ??"

I'm 40 btw...

Trying to explain that Kpop is not only about BTS and hysterical fans is tiring...

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jeilyneh15 25 days ago 2
25 days ago

Oh my gosh! I finally found another person who listened to Japanese music in the 90'S!

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shf_ren 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I remember watching subtitled animes on VHS tape and downloading X Japan albums on Audiogalaxy... So nostalgic. But I kinda feel like a dinosaur XD

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teleri 5 days ago 0
5 days ago

I did as well. Anime soundtracks, plus Jimmy Page saying he loved JRock, totally got me into it :D Malice Mizer :D

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Capricorns_Rule 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I started liking K-Pop around 2009. The first k-pop video I saw was Super Junior's Sorry Sorry and gradually it increased from there to other groups.

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Anna_2 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I just wanna say...I think kpop fans older than you also feel this way for fans into kpop as long as you and the newer ones currently because I noticed only groups/bands of the third and second gen. were mentioned, but not the 1st. I get your point of the article, but don't forget that some fans into kpop as old as you or older have also been these kinds of fans before. It comes with time for fans to mature because of how the kpop community is advertised, most fans are teen girls and they go crazy when it comes to idols. Not every current fan is this way either, it's pretty easy to ignore the ignorant ones too. Also, I think the embarrassment of saying you like kpop is just a confidence issue you may have. I liked listening to Japanese music before I knew kpop but I'm still never ashamed to say it, even though people thought it was weird or eccentric because it was something I enjoyed.

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Hyungshi 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

tbh 1st gen and 2nd gen kpop are definitely the best times those were the golden days, now kpop is just like eggs and breads they gotta mass produce and flood the market.

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imthatxx 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

People still judge me like crazy for listening to kpop but that won't stop me!

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forevervipblackj 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

OMG YES ABOUT THE NOT ACKNOWLEDGING OLD BANDS WHO PAVED THE WAYS FOR THE JUNIORS.

Let's not forget that before BTS, BLACKPINK etc we had Bigbang, 2ne1, 2PM, MBLAQ, FTisland etc, they were great in their own way and not acknowledging that they are GOOD and being disrespectful is just not okay, you can be a fan of BTS without always putting down the older generation. Those feuds they create and the disrespectful tweets us seriously nauseating as an "older" Kpop fan.

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honeynaomi 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Well I’ve been a member of allkpop since 2009 and I just got over most of the things you saying. I’m just glad people now aknowledge Kpop because I remember being the only one among my peers to listen to it and I think /hope they remember it and me when they hear about Gangnam style or BTs. I was younger back then and got older. I understand nowadays fans are as young as 12 years old so you can’t blam their immature behaviour sometimes. Kpop doesn’t belong to me and I have better things to do with my life than getting angry about new fans. Kpop overall has gone through its best era years ago anyway but I still listen to some groups and enjoy it so yeaaah. Not a big deal

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Daxel 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Damn, everyone always coming for the ARMY's. XD


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iciviuja 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

this. sigh.... like, i just read no.1 and i'm already like *upvote*.. haha. and... the no.4 one.. hmmn.. you're started kpop since 2011, imagine me starting kpop since H.O.T/S.E.S days.... and i was always listened and introduced many kpop songs to many people and was even seen dancing however I could when i was in the car especially to GG/WG era and everyone wasn't just laughing they even said that i was crazy.. though some admit that the songs are good but most felt embarrassed to even admit they like it.. but now that kpop is known worldwide (i've always said how kpop WILL be known and loved worldwide though, proudly) they're the one who feels like they knew it better... hah! i mean, whatever that you knew is on the web where i also can just click and read.. so.... unlike before where it was harder to find or even download anything.. nowadays you can just stream whatever you want.. i even had to learn japanese/korean and chinese just to find where to download mvs to watch.. sigh.. those were the days... the reason why I treasured older kpop/jrock materials a lot, and no one would understand it unless they've gone through the same thing.. you kids nowadays are lucky.. so please don't brag like you're a better fan of kpop just because you own a lot more mercs than i do.. we all have our own way of loving and treasure kpop and no one can really measure that just to prove a point.

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RebeccaB 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

I like that ALLKPOP is writing interesting articles like this and 'Shipping toxic culture'

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Kueen 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

I am 20 yrs. old, and i've been listening to kpop since 2009. i got into kpop after listening to japanese artist (mostly utada hikaru)since 2006. I've never been embarrassed to express my love for the music I listen to (I listen to everything except counrty music)

what I dont like is when some of these stans act like sheep to slaughter to defend someone they dont know. Then they have the nerve to get on other people's social media bringing their negative energy, but they will never have that same energy in public.

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EXOsTinkerbell 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

This article and the comments below supporting it is just meeeeee. I joined the Kpop fandom thanks to DBSK in 2009 (of which they were going through the disbandment at that time, how sad is my life~). Yes there were fanwars and all especially for the Daesangs it wasn't as bad as now.


All the new fans thinking that they know it all and their Oppas are the best... yada yada.. super cocky and very unnecessary. I never liked the idea of Kpop going big and global because then they will lose the essence of Kpop altogether. I love EXO and BTS but the fans need to chill

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ATA 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

It bugs me when people call themselves "kpop fans" but don't actually know kpop history. Then they want to act like they know everything, I mean please! Educate yourselves or don't call yourself a kpop fan

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enjoyinglife 26 days ago 1
26 days ago

when I read the headline with "old", somehow I thought the author was an early 2000's K-pop fan and thought i was a somewhat younger fan...

I've been following K pop since 2009. now I feel REALLY old

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Ah_Chuu 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

Early 2000s Kpop fan here! (Although I did totally stop keeping up with the industry for a few years and got drawn back in around 2011...) Hope I can restore your feelings of youth through my existence, haha.

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Yellowchimpa 6 days ago 0
6 days ago

We. Are. Old. *sigh*. My opinion. The opinion no one asked for. Nothing really annoys me. I get excited. One thought keeps popping up in my head when BTS news comes up. Imagine when Big Bang is out. Everyone just being introduced to kpop through BTS. Oh my gosh. They're going to go CRAZY. Watch the YG kings dominate it. As always.

Now regarding old and new kpop fans. There is no difference. We were fresh faced fans once upon a time. It's just the form that's changed. Ways to support groups these days is done all through voting, album sales, YouTube views, and more. If you want your group to continue making music you do your part. Sitting there on your bum doesn't help them.

Fan-bases have always had their share of crazies and saesangs. No matter what era we're in. Literally a couple of spots down in the AllKpop feed is TVXQ/DBSK Yunho talking about being poisoned. There is no such thing as world peace no matter how much we want and advocate it. People be crazy. When you started following kpop doesn't change that.

Disbandment and separated groups hasn't stopped happening. Pentagon... 4minute. 2NE1 (can't cry. nope. don't dry). Wanna One was set up to disband, we all knew this. Miss A. Sistar. And more. We all feel the hurt and all wish they could continue or that their companies treated them better. But what do some fans do? They downloaded the music illegally, because who has money these days? And that hurts the groups. Their popularity is in our hands. Some know this. Majority of ARMY know this and have put them where they are now with their support. How proud would any group be if their music touched so much that they were catapulted into the western music industry. And with more fans the likelihood of nutballs is inevitable. It's not the groups fault. These nutballs existed in this world before they followed them.

The cringe. Oh my gosh. I agree. BUT not with what you're cringing about. I look back on old MV's and cringe at the style, the 'it' dance move of the time, the hair, and it's not just old MV's. It's new ones as well! This is not a direct insult to the idols. This is personal preference. I'm not inflicting my opinion and expect the company to revise their entire production. 'Oh no. YellowChimpa doesn't like the Twice Candy Pop. Take it down!' I'm not going to go bashing people who do like it. Although I did leave a comment on the AllKpop post of it pointing out... creepy van.... picking up girls..... man driving it...... cute theme..... lesson here?..... little girls should get into vans with men who offer candy.

Acknowledgement. No new fans will know unless they're made aware. I think I remember the kpop industry suffering at one point because there were't enough people interested in music (which is where terrible contracts come into play that legitimately screwed their artists over-although this wasn't the first nor the last). DBSK/TVXQ was the reboot and groups like them are the foundation kpop is based upon today. Now it pains me to say this since I love Yunho Oppa so much, but for Generation X this music might sound outdated. You're right, they don't have to like them. This is the issue here. Liking something comes too close to acknowledgement in a young mind. They won't bother looking into this if it doesn't suit their tastes. I was in university ten years ago and a student in my class refused to watch the example video, because she didn't like the theme. It was science fiction. Fail. I don't want this to be an excuse though. Common sense and manners IS a thing. Their world, one we don't know because we were raised in another time, is very different from our own. They don't know what the box on the back of a TV is. They don't know what flip phones are. Who carries cash? It's all tap.


I'm not claiming wisdom over new fans and neither should you. The years spent following kpop doesn't give you badges. We don't hold a rank over new fans. I surely don't expect to pull rank on you, because it doesn't exist. These fans are the future you and me looking back on 'their' day and judging generation.... what will it be after z???? I refuse to hate people because of their way of supporting a group is different than my own. So long as it is not abusive. And I certainly don't dislike a group because of their fan-base.

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Dopes 7 days ago 0
7 days ago

I'm ancient when it comes to kpop standards, this was when HOT and Koyote or 1tym and Sharp been alive, heck this was also during pre youtube days where it was dial up generation time struggle was real getting songs or even watching anything remotely asian!!! I've been a huge fan of kpop and jpop and visual kei I liked anything I wasn't fussed, if it appealed to me then I liked it. I just now find it difficult to even converse with kpop lovers, it's always one or another. I feel like the younger gens not just them others too, have also become obsessed with comparing artists, you gotta realise they all are different individuals and have different songs and promote differently stop bloody comparing! Others stan them if you dont, be a nicer person either ignore it or you know say well done and move on! It's not hard honestly these fandoms have become crazier. I agree that the kpop industry has exploded but im starting to hate how childish it's also become because of comparing. The songs now are aimed at teens and younger gens, which I dont mind. I still listen to kpop. People should just relax and enjoy music, atleast music is on going and growing, you should be glad that kpop has become huge and is being more recognised, back in my hayday they all looked at me funny when i said I was obsessed with Japanese or Korean or even CHinese music. It wasn't the norm and it's still probably isn't, society is crazy it changes. Anywho, my pet peeves everything you have listed on the article and how the younger generation are becoming big headed and sprout nonsense. :)

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Noemiem 9 days ago 1
9 days ago

I agree with everything in this article, just surprised that SHINee was not mentioned because they were as popular as BIG BANG through their first years. I became a Kpop fan in 2008 at age 16, still listening to Kpop at age 26 and it shaped and is still shaping my life greatly. I saw BTS perform in 2013 for like 5$ in South Korea (they were rookies trying to become popular), they were good but I never expected them to become such a big thing... Not saying they are bad as I listen to them quite often, but having listened to probably over 50 other groups over 12 years I don't really get what's different about them! Must be a generation thing :)

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teleri 5 days ago 0
5 days ago

SHINee got me INTO KPop in the first place. Certainly need mentioning.
I do love BTS tho, and understand fully what the fuss is about.

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Ryu_Shi 9 days ago 0
9 days ago

I totally agree with the first point. People who say I'm into kpop and they haven't heard and not even bother to listen to Big Bang's, Super Junior's, Sechs Kies's songs.

"And the: you laughed at me when I wanted to show you that, and now you want to introduce me to k-pop like you discovered it and act like I never tried to talk to you about that topic."-- I've gone through this a lot be it kdramas or kpop culture.. those people get back at me when I've only introduced them to this.

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livmile 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

I agree with everything! I remember trying to find written translations of TVXQ's interviews on MySpace, being blown away by their 2008 MKMF (now called MAMA awards) performance, and being crushed when JYJ split. I remember when BigBang where sudden sensation from small, unknown company called YG entertainment. And GD/T.O.P duo album being banned everywhere. God, and when Shinee debuted and they all looked like pre-schoolers. For me, Kris leaving EXO still feals like something that happaned just a year ago.

I do silently judge everyone who says that they just ''looove K-pop'', because they know BTS. There's so much to love! The only advice I can give is to give your idol's idols a try.

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mapsosa08 24 days ago 0
24 days ago

I feel you, as a V.I.P and BIGBANG stan since 2006. I am not a multi-fandom but I know all of the other KPOP artists during that era, because we also listen to them and support them by praising their performances and talents. I just really miss the days in KPOP when talents are more important rather than looks.

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Rock30815 24 days ago 0
24 days ago

Just wanted to share, I've been into pop since 2005. Been an Allkpop member since 2009. I agree completely with this article. But the number one thing that annoys me isn't the fans or ratings…it's the music itself. One could maybe argue that Kpop was an imitation of Western Music…but after the excitement of B2ST vs MBLAQ in 2009, we saw an explosion of boybands and girlgroups saturating the scene in which all groups and their musics were essentially the same thing. Kpop lost it's creativity. Labels focused on cashing in on the trends. This includes my favorite, YG. They used to be known for their edgy, mature, hip hop slanted music. Now, they're barely keeping up with the rest of the groups. BTS is standing out because they're sticking to their roots. Yeah, they are poppy in sound, but BTS will and always has been a group that has the vibe of a hip hop high school step team. No other group competes with them in this arena because BTS propelled so far ahead that any attempt would be called out, and utterly pointless.

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triniblossom 24 days ago 0
24 days ago

2011? Won't quite say you're an old kpop fan but I agree with most of these things

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EddieZ 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I discovered Kara in 2007. Then SNSD and Wonder Girls. I have been through sadness when Kara broke up. Joy when I was at the rail for Wonder Girls and JYP at Madison Square Garden. In love with Sistar at the International Festival 2012, Iteawon. I miss their music and dance. I want to go to a 2NE1 concert and pray they reunite fo one more Comeback! Thats where I'm at...living in the past. I am the worlds oldest Kpop fan.

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MunchieMinx 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I feel these points all SO MUCH right now. I been an "old fan" since the days when only Soompi ever posted anything about Asian music ever , and this post got me all in the feels.


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Mamr33 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

So I started listening to Kpop in 2016 too (please don't hate me) but I totally agree with you too. when I first got into Kpop i was just totally obsessed but then I started to tone it down when my sister talked to me about it and now I'm pretty chill. But I still have friends that are really obsessed and that annoys me too. I just wish that they could talk about something else other than Kpop. Feel Me?

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strawberrykat 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Thank you for this article! I‘m also a Kpop Fan since 2011 and I can totally relate to everything you said :[ the friends who introduced me to it were even earlier (like 2009 or 2010 I think) my group was Super Junior and my first my/song from them was „no other“ so I‘m surprised I even became a fan xD and when I got more into them I started watching all their really old shows and mv‘s so it almost feels like I‘ve been a Fan since 2005/6 lol later on I‘ve also gotten more into DBSK and watched all their ot5 stuff.. amd then came SHINee and later on in 2012 I started following more of the new „3rd Generation“ groups that debuted at that time (B.A.P, Teen Top, EXO, etc..) and I remember in 2013 or so my friends and I were given the homework to prepare a project about whatever topic that interests us and we chose Kpop, to show our classmates that our „weird obsession“ was totally normal and that there‘s really good music outside of the u.s and u.k and to educate them about Kpop... but of course they just made fun of what we showed them *sigh* getting other people to like or even just accept Kpop was a real struggle back then.. though I wonder how many of those old classmates are Armys today or have friends who are BTS or Kpop Fans..

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MBLAQ5OTP 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

This year it will be 10 years since i i discovered kpop, i was 13 when i started listening to kpop and now i'm almost 24 .

As an older kpop fan i'm sad that new kpop fans don't know kpop groups that are so iconic like , mblaq , u kiss or even ss501.


i know bts achived a lot of things but don't forget that big bang WON THE EMA in 2011 when NO ONE KNEW WHAT IS KPOP

respect old kpop groups , do your research because you are missing some amazing kpop gems

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tushae4 25 days ago 1
25 days ago

Lets be friends, writer! I started kpop in 2000. and all the points you made are beyond accurate! I dont mind the new fans but seriously as the generations get younger and younger it does become more cringy! I sometimes miss the awkward days of them crossdressing on variety shows and having dance battles and so on!

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jeilyneh15 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I started kpop in 2000 too! Let's be friends! Seriously, I have never met anyone else who listened around that time!

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fohwithdatbs 25 days ago 1
25 days ago

This is why old and new generation idols have so much tension against each other. Y’all always want these new idols to publicly acknowledge their seniors or whatever newfound success they encounter, and even when they do acknowledge them publicly, y’all will be the first ones to say, “Oh, they just wanna say blah blah blah names to promote their music.” Like STFU! I know for a fact, that all these idols such as BTS, Blackpink, Twice, EXO, etc. DO know and UNDERSTAND about the history of their seniors and are GRATEFUL for them for paving the way to their current success. TRUST ME! THEY KNOW!

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N00R4 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

They know but do their fans? Or more like do their fans appreciate the previous generations? Not all do.

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smott 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I'm glad that most of you guys liked it ^^

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aldebaran 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

as an 2008 fan, i kinda agree with this list, also i will add the fact that new groups looks kinda generic to me, and that's never happened before. I don't know almost any of the members names in new groups like Loona, gugudan, pristin, nature, to name a few. Also they faces look kinda generic, That never happend to me with groups like SNSD, 2ne1, sistar, kara, t-ara, Spica, AOA, Apink. With those groups may be i didn't know a particular members name, but i can totally tell you in which group is she by her face/looks, now i can't (only with a rare exceptions like TWICE, BlackPink and Red Velvet).

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whatever101 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I don't care how successful BTS, Exo, BLACK PINK, Seventeen etc. are. Fact is: They are all so successful because groups like BIG BANG, DBSK/TVXQ, H.O.T, SNSD etc. exist.




LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK PLEASE!!!!


i honestly blame ARMY for this behavior and its also in part because of other fandoms because initially BTS was looked down upon and not taken seriously for being in a non Big 3 label by EXO-L and others but as soon as they hit the jackpot the TIDES TURNED and now it was ARMY's turn to shove their achievements in everyone's faces which in turn with the swarm of new K-pop noobie BTS fans encouraged them to behave in the same manner and dismiss other groups like BIGBANG or TVXQ as being nothing more than hasbeens.

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Queen_Sana 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

okay so new fans like us are under 15 mostly so groups we know about is EXO BTS GOT7 they are like Legends for us then we have monsta x and other mid level groups same goes for girl groups i remember first time i watched Exo monster MV in youtube and some guy youtuber were reacting to them there name of song monster hooked me and i was like what is this is this movie or something i know kpop is big here in Japan but not like mainstream at that time or maybe for me because i was so young to know about these stuff after that i discover cheer up and TT and BTS run and Fire ot7 have hits like Hard carry now you want us to know about your old groups i mean i don't even know how many members are there what is there story or anything about them but slowly i looked into them and now i know few old groups like SNSD i am huge fan i know there all songs SUJU SHinne and TVXQ tho i only know one song of them and that is mirotic same goes for WOnder girls and Miss A i know only one song of them Nobody and Good girl bad girl so it takes time to get to know every legend and there bops so saying new fans are like this and that is wrong if some one start liking kpop in 2018 how the hell you can think oh he is rude he don't know Kara and snsd like give it a time they will know on there own

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Myriam94 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I agree 100% with all this article says, I started listening to kpop even before the word "kpop" was a thing, I think it was probably around 2007/2008 (the gold era 😪) and I've seen the big "waves" that occurred during these years, I've seen it become more and more popular at an international level. But I'd like to add something: the music, I don't want to say that this 3rd generation is not talented or that their music is shitty, but I would like to point out how the music changed especially these 3~4 past years, I feel like the charm of what "old" kpop sounded like has completely vanished, it just feel like the more the community of international fans grow, the more they want to americanized (not even know if it's a word) the music and make it fit to the western taste the most, to me, all the charms that kpop had disappeared as well as all of the things that made it special, unique (unlike regular American pop). Although I know it's normal to evolve (especially in music) I can't help but be sad and disappointed in how the kpop that I knew had been completely changed in order to satisfy the biggest amount of "potential" international fans and make more "views" on YouTube.

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Ashandae 25 days ago 1
25 days ago

What you stated is true & the obsession of points/views is ridiculous. It puts so much pression on other artists and rookies...

Another thing I hate, is when the "fans of fandom" bring on other artists videos their own fandom. Just why? You can't support a singer or group without stating the fact that you are from "that" fandom? U know you'll not die if you don't show the whole world EVERy day that you're from that fandom xD

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Ricu 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I also think it's not necessary at all to state which fandom you are part from when commenting under another group's videos.

But, honestly, I don't think people do this just because they want to show off which group they stan. Actually I think people just do this because they are aware of all the toxicity and wars going on between fandoms and just want to show others that different fandoms can support each other.


As you said, and I completely agree with you on this, it is really not necessary to do that. But I think those people have mostly good intentions. Idk, I'm not really mad when others write things like "[fandom name] here to support [group name]" under a video of my favorite group. It may be unnecessary, but it's not that big of a deal. At least, I don't see it as disrespectful or anything.

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lauraayuki 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I'm an old fan of kpop as well but I don't agree with the first point. There are people that just go with the mood and say they're a kpop and know nothing, but you don't have to know the history of kpop to be a kpop fan, just like, idk, you don't have to know the history of hip hop to like hip hop (they're "similar" for the racialization and stereotypes and all that). For the other points, I feel you, I agree completely

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Hooni 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I love T-ara DBSK etc but "legit legends"? what about seo taiji and boys??? they are the BEGINNING of kpop, before seo taiji and boys there were nearly only trots, they brought new music and is the foundation of today's kpop. Papa YG was part of the band so its also the beginning of YG FAMILY. and what about Roo'ra? You all think Twice is a hit or T-ara was a hit? Roo'ra ruled the country back then, EVERY SINGLE KOREAN who listens to MUSIC loved Chae Rina.


smh there are SO much more. I started in 1996 when Kim Gun Mo got all the daesangs that year.


I'm so sorry, pls don't use the word "legit legends" when you're not describing the true legends.

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JanMe 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

i started to like kpop after watching kdramas/shows in 2007 and you can hardly find someone who likes or even know what is kpop just like you. But now like everybody (most people) heard of kpop even if they aren't a fan. Even starbuck's twitter admin is a fan. You never know who it's going to be lol but since kpop is getting popular and even mainstream now, i'm starting to lose interest. But im still sticking to kshows

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jklee989 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

totally agree with this list, like i was part of the group that didnt know or care much about kpop back in early 2010s but im a fan now and it makes me annoyed now when people dont acknowledge the groups or artists from before and the fans nowadays just try to start fan wars all the time for no reason...

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springjk 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

I totally agree. I just get so annoyed but some of these new fans. I’m really glad they kpop has become more popular but some fans are a little too much. Especially the saesangs

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Dnnstrr 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

Huhu. I completely agree. I discovered Kpop in 2004 because of Bi (Rain) and BoA and Eugene (S.E.S). So I do kind of have that "I discovered it before any one of you ever did" syndrome (at least in my country). Lol.


I was in high school back then, and there was hardly anyone who knew about Kpop. And if they did, they would literally bash and laugh at it. :( Sadness. So I stopped because it's hard enough to fit in as it is. Even in college, when I really wanted to go back to following Kpop and so many artists have come up by then like Super Junior, Wonder Girls, SNSD, BigBang, Shinee, Beast, etc. But my friends at that time are the kinds who listen to American Indie, so again, I stopped.


I COMPLETELY REGRET THAT. I really should have just followed my heart. Haha. I've just come back in 2018, and I still really appreciate the new generation (except maybe for their strange fans who need to grow up), but I still cannot get over the older generation especially Super Junior, Shinee and my ults, Highlight (former Beast), and also, I feel bad that SNSD is not as active anymore.

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MiZZ_J 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

im kpop fans since TVXQ..at that time i also Jpop fans with Arashi..from what i see ,fans now days a bit scary.. i means ,fans will fight with others fans if they dont like or hate something..they like to punish others idols and fans..no respect to each other too..this kind of fans really annoy me..

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hiroonakamura 26 days ago 2
26 days ago

you still cant tell people that you like kpop without them laughing at you. BTS hasnt made kpop mainstream, let's not kid ourselves lol. I still keep it a secret from most people i know.

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Mhizdarhmey 25 days ago 1
25 days ago

What are you talking about? It's not like kpop is a gospel thats compulsory for everyone

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hiroonakamura 24 days ago 0
24 days ago

i think you didnt understand my comment at all?

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Sirenfly 10 days ago 0
10 days ago

Also, just because a group has either a hair color, outfit or even a set that look like another doesn't mean they were trying to copy another group. No one is original to be honest, just younger. Trying to hinder someone else's debut makes you look like an insane saeng fan! Number 5 has to addressed as well. Listen........ SOME OF YOU FAVES WOULDN'T BE IDOLS IF IT WASN'T FOR OTHERS BEFORE THEM! Most groups that were made first were experiment groups. Groups like FT Island and Super Junior have talked about such. In order for the groups now to succeed; their elders had to go through hell so companies could do better by other groups


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DelightGalaxy 14 days ago 0
14 days ago

can i laugh now??

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cjnvm 14 days ago 0
14 days ago

There are so many Kpop groups it's like being a fan of a sports team with everyone competing against each other and fans attacking each other.

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annabts 16 days ago 0
16 days ago

damn that tiktok cringe compilation gave me stage 3 cancer

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Lil_Deer 19 days ago 0
19 days ago

I'm a new Kpop fan even if now I only listen to mainstream groups. But I usually spend a year per music genre. Of course I will get to know what was kpop before and how it became that genre today . And I personally think that music is just music (my life) and that people should not care about what other people think of it. Just enjoy music, guys !

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BTS_FanGurl 20 days ago 0
20 days ago

OMG to be honest I kinda am a newbie kpop fan. I was also kinda naive for a while as I though Gangnam Style by PSY was american or something. but I really liked the song and still do. I really got into Kpop with BTS' fire. TBH I didn't watch the MV for like 2 years after it dropped but I had listened to it almost as soon as it came out. I researched around and found BIG BANG, and BIG BANG is still one of my favorite groups, alothough they disbanded. I listen to alot tof BTS but I'm embarassed to say I'm an ARMY thanks to fake ARMYs. Even though I'm a new kpop fan I still relate to alot of this article, bc I understand as a musican and dancer myself that you need 'oldies' to have 'newbies'. The music/dancing career is all about stepping stones. I have 'kpop' friends, but when I talk about any group other than EXO and BTS, they are like who are they? They don't matter. And to be honest I have to stop myself from slapping the sht outta them bc even BTS are huge fans of BIG BANG and EXO wouldn't be EXO with out being motivated to be rappers/singers/dancers without seing people who were big at the time.

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Pinksone81 21 days ago 0
21 days ago

I agree with you 100%. It also annoys me when people call themselves a fan of KPOP, but only knows one group. It makes me angry and annoyed. Like, how? You're a fan of KPOP, but you only know that one group who are famous and trending only. Like, what? U sure bro? Like there are many other groups too.

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dat1flygirl 21 days ago 0
21 days ago

this is me all day

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saranghaegirl1 22 days ago 0
22 days ago

I have honestly never felt someone speak my thoughts better than this post. I knew it wasn't just me being excessive. Thank you for this....Honestly everyone needs to see this.

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FakeIsMyLove 22 days ago 0
22 days ago

i rarely vote for people/groups. And when I do I try to stay unbiased as i can. I started watching kpop around 2011. I first seen bigbang and later fell in love with shinee. I lisened to other groups as well but I didnt get into them as much. I skipped 2014 for some reason. Although i heard it wasnt a good year so i dont regret it. what brought me back to kpop was BTS. But I like many different groups. And as much as I love bts, if I dont liie ine of their songs then I dont like it. People are really into the whole bias thing. I have been watching under nineteen and you can really tell with that.

Also I used to be embarrassed to tell people I like kpop too.

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Datboiyoongz 22 days ago 0
22 days ago

Ok i just started liking kpop later than a lot of people so my first group was of course someone popular like bts (yeah it was bts) of course a new kpop fan would Stan the newer groups and not really the groups from like 10-15 years ago and what is wrong with liking the newer kind of music? No hate my dude I see where you are coming from and I understand how there are people who only know bts and call themselves kpop fans it is very annoying and I hear it all the time “I love kpop” what groups do you like “Bts” anybody else “well I kinda like got7” I understand and I relate to you because bts isnt the whole meaning of kpop like there are others and I personally like todays music so I am more into the newer stuff and I know I may sound triggered but I am just saying some of the things you said in the article were kind of a lot because some of us are new to kpop (I have only been into it for 2-3 years) the firts kpop group liked was bts but my favorite is Kard and I just can’t get into the older music but that doesn’t make me any less of a kpop Stan than anybody else I’m just like you 🙂🙂🙂💜💜 I don’t mean to sound rude I just wanted to speak my opinion so please don’t kill me ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🙂

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wuzzzz 22 days ago 0
22 days ago

im fan of kpop since 2010, suju make me into it. But since then im not just listening one band (SJ) only, but indie korean like epitone project, lucia etc actually random korean songs. Now i like bts too, but not crazy like fans nowadays... back in2010 fandom not making war like now and yeahh in 2010 ma friends in my class like kpop too, so im not the one who embrassed when someone ask me what music i like...

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D_Liam 22 days ago 0
22 days ago

man I use to like reading old allkpop opinion post, but as they start to employ little kids to write their post, it's never the same.

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grifsnax 22 days ago 0
22 days ago

Remember back when the MV's were actually good... we had good storylines, emotions, acting... i miss the glory days...

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karebearsays 23 days ago 0
23 days ago

All I have to say about this article is, thank you.

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Kurosnik 23 days ago 0
23 days ago

I got into kpop around 2012-2013ish and I was always a multifan. I connect with a lot of points here. Still till this day i have never talked to someone thats also into kpop :

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Seventeencaratze 24 days ago 0
24 days ago

Totally agreed😊

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kefira14 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

I miss the golden days. I remember the times I was laughed at too....it really does suck.

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Jaerim 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Got into kpop in 2013. I was only listening to boygroups because i couldnt take girl groups seriously back then for some reason ( im a male fan btw). BTS and BAP got me into kpop tbh. AOA was the first female group i took serious then 4minute.

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myma 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

May I add: excessive merchandising and multiple versions of the same product, which soaks the kpop fans in Korea and leads them to a sense of entitlement with their stan.

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trashy26 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

uuuuh , finally an article that i enjoyed reading , good job :D

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YokoNom 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

The Cringe aspect also bothers me a lot, I have often seen people behaving like kids, whether in real life or on the Internet. Do not get me wrong Fangirling is fine, but you should think about where and when to do it.


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Blue1 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

"Legit legends" "T-ara" OK.

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Meggie08 25 days ago 1
25 days ago

2nd gen fans, where have you been all my life?! I have not found you guys on other forums after deciding to look for you recently! Add me on snapchat 2nd gens @ megster9946! Only those above 23 years old and above. Liking 2nd gen is different from being from it. I been in it since 2006.

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jeilyneh15 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

1st gen/ 2nd gen are too busy "adulting"

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bakko23 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

word.

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Meggie08 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

omg, please, THANK YOU AND PREACH! drives me nuts seeing these third gens with this weird "this fandom will lend a hand to that fandom if you wish" attitude over video views like it's merch itself, and it's sooo cringe! I say listen to kpop as a whole, THEN buy merch and vlive streams for those you love. Not hard and it boosts the entire kpop genre to be worldwide.

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kookiemonstah 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

This is exactly how I've felt for the past 2 years. I also started listening to Kpop in 2011 (thanks, SHINee) and was a huge SuJu stan. I've been an ARMY since 2013 and I find it really irritating how some "fans" disregard all of the achievements that artists like H.O.T., SNSD, DBSK, SHINee, BoA, ect, have accomplished. Girl, honestly, if it wasn't for BoA's huge success in Japan in the early 2000s and DBSK after that, your faves would be really struggling right now.

Also this battle between groups, mainly BTS and BLACKPINK, about views, likes and whatnot is so dumb and annoying and takes away all the fun in following those groups, which "back in the day" was what Kpop was all about. Now it's all about the competition and who's better than who and I'm actually getting really sick of it.

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hennuv 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

AfterSchool... still displeased with how they ended

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kpoplover308 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

Honestly a lot of the groups just sound the same to me now. Before you had really distinct sounds and you could tell who produced what. Now everything is just some amalgamation of a ton of different stuff. At the same time i think that's something that's unique to kpop and reminds me of bossa nova in the 60s from Brazil, a fusion of lots of genres.

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Huhuhh 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

Agree

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szewwy 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

This is a lot like myself. I have been a fan of kpop since 2011 and I love all the "old" groups you mentioned (this is the first time I've ever seen someone mention co-ed school) but now I feel so old. The only thing that sorta bothers me is when kpop is considered just the new, currently popular ones and disregarding the older super groups. But at the same time I understand because it's getting big now so the newer fans are going to see the current groups. Like hottopic has a lot of kpop merch but only the groups that are big in America. When I looked there was no snsd, shinee, tvxq, apink etc. but that was awhile ago.

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ThingsAreWeird 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

I've been a fan since 2009 I completely agree with EVERYTHING!

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myma 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

At least when a kpop group disbands, you know it has disbanded. That's it. Kaputsky.

Back in my day, before there was the internet, you would just have to wander over to that alphabetic section of the record store and wonder and sigh Does so-and-so group really not have a new album out, hasn't it been x years? And then - get this - maybe if one appeared, buy it without ever having listened to any of it, based up how fondly you remember the last album or the new album art is nice or something.

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way0leto 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

exactly what i feel! *claps* - old kpop multi fandom fans since 2009

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tygeress09 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

I agree. I've been a kpop fan since 97, sechskies and h.o.t, got me into kpop. Now days I dont get into fandoms and I dont stan anyone. I know plastic surgery is big in Korea and that has nothing to do with this,but I like real not fake. I like the music not the artist. I dont even like any American artist. Today's kpop I'm not into. I thought I would like sechskies now but I dont. I just wish kpop didnt change that much. I dont like the whole youtube and views thing either. I like old sechskies, h.o.t, 1tym, s.e.s, fin.k.l, but the last group that I really liked was big bang.


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sweetberry 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

wow... reading this make me feel old T_T

100% agree...i started listening to kpop in year 2005/2006. But i did stop listening to kpop (but not entirely) for awhile when tvxq lawsuit happen. If yall who start listening to kpop in year 2011 can feel like this, then what do you think for fan who like kpop for far longer.. the situation especially in fandom culture are not improving but getting worse somehow. Now i only follow few older idol and solo singer because how should i say it?? kpop nowadays are burdening.

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boulderCO 23 days ago 0
23 days ago

this is the dumbest article I have ever read - no one owns this music or the members of said groups. I'm over 40 and have been listening a lot longer than you, just enjoy it and have fun with those who enjoy it with you. There should not be a bureaucratic approach to it RELAX!

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Kappei 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

"if you don't know legit legends like DBKS, BIG BANG, Super Junior, T-Ara, then I'm judging!"

--> Ok fine. Kpop in a whole for some people like me is just around BTS. So what?? Who are you to judge then?

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Mhizdarhmey 25 days ago 2
25 days ago

Fine you are an old kpop stan.. It's good.. Congratulations but do you know that you can't force bigbang and h.o.t in our throats? Everyone has the right to chose who they listen to... You don't have to listen to 50 groups of kpop before you are considered a kpop stan... If one likes one group especially ...they are automatically a kpop fan because the group sings kpop.. We have different tastes, some are just casual listeners, some are regular while some are hardcores...it depends on individual



On the notes of achievements, the thing should be give respect to who deserves respect.....now looking at it... If seo taiji didn't have a great kpop foundation, tvxq and siechkes, super junior, bigbang probably wouldn't be here (am using probably bcos even if seo taiji didn't start someone will start), now if big bang and super junior and others didn't raise the banner high, people like bts, exo and all might not hav the inspiration, now that bigbang went for military and older groups are nearly inactive, exo took the banner but sm played exo dirty and didn't let them show their all, the banner fell to bts hands and fortunately bts raised it soooo high that it's challenging even for themselves but eventually they are gonna pass it down to another group some day... Records are meant to be broken, but we can't deny history, i don't like the talk of dragging bts down all in the name of thanks to old groups... Everyone had their impacts... It will be great if we all know this and respect everyone's achievements and not ridiculing it by always referring to old groups all the time.... Even without those old groups.. Kpop would have started with others and that's a fact.. It's not like we must bow to them every time bts or younger groups gets an achievement... Everyone is entitled to their achievements..

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Queen_Sana 25 days ago 1
25 days ago

You are 100% right

You are my new Fav on this site :)

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Mhizdarhmey 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Thank you! It tried my best not being biased or sound rude to the older groups... This issue is causing a big stir in the kpop community.... We should let younger artists enjoy their achievements too... Enough of 'they owe it to the old groups'... Let them enjoy their time please

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bright_light 26 days ago 2
26 days ago

I do listen to some songs from other groups but truthfully my heart belongs to BTS and i support them in anyway i can, no other kpop group has touched my heart like them. I can't believe in my 20's i'm supporting a boy group but they're not your cookie-cutter group they're very authentic and sincere. Where they've come from, a little company and all the doubters that they wouldn't make it anywhere and now look at them, it's an amazing success story. As for the generation before them they made a minuscule crack in the ceiling in the American market but BTS changed the game, they broke that ceiling, proud ARMY

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mingyulovesguys 26 days ago 1
26 days ago

first off (no hate), bts is just like any other group. put together and manufactured by a company, every move calculated and controlled. also, so many other groups have come from little companies and struck it big (ex: seventeen, infinite). there's always a group that "makes" a company, like big bang did for YG or 2pm for JYP. in this case, its BTS making bighit.

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bright_light 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

if that's how you see it that's fine, but i don't see BTS for the most part being controlled by the company. Of course sometimes they have to be mindful of what they do and say or people wil jump on them. As for other groups stricking it big, that's true but BTS is honestly on a level where no one has been, personally i haven't connected with the other kpop groups like i have with BTS

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Blue82 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

Wow entitled much? One people can enjoy what they want. Only liking one group still makes you a fan. Two of course it feels cringier every year because you are getting older as new young fans join. The groups themselves constantly mention the older groups they respect and once fans mature they acknowledge that. You are always going to have immature fans in any type of media. Movies, tv shows, music, it's all just part of it and you can either deal with it or quit enjoying what you like there are no other options. I'm 36 years old and have been a part of kpop so long I've seen nearly two generations of new fans come and go. Fans were just as annoying and cringy back then as they are now. They were also just as competitive and just as rude. The difference is that it's easier to see with how much easier it is to communicate with the internet. Now instead of it being done through texting, emails, phone calls, and meet ups we see it all laid bare online. I stan a lot of groups and I encourage people to branch out and do the same because there is a lot of great music out here in the world both old and new. However I respect when someone only wants to stan one group. That doesn't mean they aren't enjoying and loving kpop it just means that for now that's what they are in to. In a few years they may find another group. As for merch considering how much it costs to get good merch of course if someone worked hard and saved up they are going to wear it. Honestly you sound salty as hell that 'I liked it first and you teased me' so you feel like you are entitled to be offended by new fans. Grow up. I liked kpop back when liking anime made you a weeb and kpop wasn't even heard of. I don't feel like that makes me better than the new teenagers just learning about groups.

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bakaneko3 26 days ago 1
26 days ago

this hilarious.. you've only listened to kpop since 2011 but you want to complain about ppl who listens to kpop after you.. i been listening to kpop since BoA in 2002 but i never look down on kpop fans that came later than me.. stop looking down on ppl just because they got into kpop later than you.. just because you've been a kpop fan longer doesn't mean you're better than them.. by the end of the day, you're still just a music genre fan.. you're not more important than someone who got into kpop tomorrow.. i guess only kpop fans from 2010+ likes to do these things.. to shit on others to make yourself look cooler (tbh you're not, you just sound stupid).. older kpop fans don't give a damn about these kind of things..


and who cares what act got ppl into kpop.. last i read bts, exo, blackpink, yadda yadda are still kpop.. they're not jpop or cpop or whatever pop.. get off of your high horse and get a new life..

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N00R4 25 days ago 0
25 days ago

Amen! This whole "article" is so backwards🤦‍♀️

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Applemom 26 days ago 0
26 days ago

Older kpop fans usually on the process of trying to prove a point of 'how great it was back then' really pisses me off. Yes back then it was golden era but don't step over the line by saying exo bts etc wouldn't have been anything without bb suju. You mean they spread the hallyu wave? Say it like that mf dont insult the newer groups like they just feeding off of the older groups success like parasites. Bts is today where they are by themseleves don't try to step on their achievements like that just to prove a point. And as known as kpop is these days bcoz of bts and others noone should expect next gen kpop fans to thank bts exo etc for newer groups successes.

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