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Former BP RaNia member Alexandra defends BTS on the recent controversies

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Former BP RaNia member Alexandra shared her thoughts on the recent controversies involving BTS.

On November 13, Alexandra shared a series of tweets defending BTS on the controversy surrounding alleged Nazi symbolism in a 2015 photo shoot, and the controversial liberation shirt


She stated, 

"To try to give some perspective-while living in Korea, I saw clothes with APPALLING statements & symbols & even asked people- oh my gosh do you know what that means? The answer was always an honest "no" and they looked BAFFLED and HUMILIATED when I explained.

I'm seeing a lot of comments saying they can't accept that such a widely known symbol was a mistake- but trust me... with the things I saw... it makes sense. And the apology accepting full responsibility is everything. It's the only way to erase ignorance and heal the world.

Idols don't have control at the end of the day but they still take the heat when something awful happens. I trust if anyone there had known, they would have spoken up because their message is and always has been LOVE and ACCEPTANCE. Thanks for the apology."



Meanwhile, Big Hit Entertainment has issued an official apology on the issues. 
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Mkm 29 days ago 6
29 days ago

exactly, what everyone should know that korea don't really have the knowledge on most of the things,(yea u will say but all the world knows about these stuff) but not korea most people don't care to know or wide their knowledge.

so before bashing anyone and thinking they are racist or anything, think that maybe they don't have the knowledge, you are a fan of korean artist but u don't know that? and don't think just because are a fan of korean idols or celebs that you own the korean community fandom or whatever, we are just international fans, you can drop and leave kpop fandom if you will pick on everything they do because the lack of knowledge and think they are racist before knowing if they actually do it on purpose or not (<-thats not about the bts issue only, other issues in general)

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jokerfish 29 days ago 3
29 days ago

Let's not forget that Alex didn't live in Korea. She didn't speak korean. She can give perspective on how misinformed the people around her seemed but she doesn't really know much more than a tourist. Racism and ignorance are not mutually exclusives thing. Kpop is a big boy industry now, if they want to sell to new markets they're going stumble into cultural differences and they going have to learn from those mistakes quickly. They can't just hide behind their grade school teachers and claim ignorance. They messed up. Teach them why its wrong. Have them never do it again. That's how they improve. Don't infantilizes BTS or Korean by claiming they are incapable of learning when taught.

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Mkm 29 days ago 1
29 days ago

from what I know that she did live temporarily in korea with koreans while learning korean.
what am saying is people forgetting that korean don't learn about what is racist or these type of stuff, instead of teaching them they are quick to bash them without thinking first if they actually know if its wrong or right. I never said bts don't learn from their mistakes.

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VenusMiranda 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

She did not, she would spend time there, BUT it was never like living there. Her visa was just a normal tourist visa, she couldan't stay longer.

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Anythingyg 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

she did live in Korea dumbass you got to china and you see confederate flags and shirts on kids with words they should never say but they don’t get it and they buy it

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2fat 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

So why is it that one of the most "educated" countries in the world. One that prides itself on education only really cares about one kind of education? You mean Koreans graduate from high school or even college without basic knowledge of the world's history? Sounds like America to me.

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WhippedForCookie 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

It's not only about Korea anymore though. People are bashing on them because of that Jewish Memorial Photoshoot too. And for that I won't blame them. It's really insensitive and simply ignorant and no one can justify that. As a European who learned a lot about nazi crimes from school or people who survived the war I'm completely disgusted with their ignorance.

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Fritzb 29 days ago 1
29 days ago

Things like this are bound to happen. Different cultures have different sensibilities and are often completely unaware of these things. There are plenty of symbols that others find offensive, that are not in their home countries. The swastika is a prime example. In the West, the swastika is universally associated with the Nazis, but in Asia, it is a religious symbol of prosperity and good luck, dating back thousands of years.


There are hand gestures that are innocent in one culture, but offensive in others.


How many people have seen someone wear a Che Guevara t-shirt? Do they know that Che Guevara was a murderous sociopath, who killed countless men, women, and children? I rather doubt it.


Most people in my country would not recognize the "Rising Sun" Imperial Japanese Flag, nor have any idea why it would be considered offensive to Koreans. It's just ignorance, not malice.

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2fat 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

Tell that to Steven Yeun and everyone that's ever had to apologize for being "ignorant" of what butthurts Koreans. This is nothing more than willful blindness and overt nationalism. Thinking that the Japanese will fully understand why a mushroom cloud means "liberation" to you. NOT!

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caribbeangal 29 days ago 8
29 days ago

It's nice of her to offer her perspective, I have seen that shirt in question on another famous Idol on a TV SHOW (won't mention who), and they havent been called out for it. This was totally blown out of proportion because of political discourse and BTS was the biggest target.

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MidnightAtarian 29 days ago 5
29 days ago

you should probably mention who or people will think you're another army making shit up to defend your bias. Not that they need defending in the first place, it was an honest mistake. Just for future reference, don't say you saw another idol and then go on to say you wont mention their name like you'd be snitching...if it was on a tv show then people will already know.

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casualunicorn 29 days ago 2
29 days ago

jooheon, on national television. we've been saying it all along yet no-one is calling him out for it (not that they should lol)

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caribbeangal 29 days ago 1
29 days ago

I dont care about what people think, if they are curious, they can look it up, it's not that hard. to find.I'm just reminding people about double standards, nothing to do with names.

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kpoplove83 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

btw its not double standards. that's like saying if i wear this shirt in real life, it's double standards if japan doesn't criticize me as well. fact is when you are HUGE and very active in japanese market, they will see these things more easily. it's not double standards, it's the price that comes with being super famous and at the top of the ladder when all your clothes (down to your socks) are photographed and shared all over the internet for everyone to see.

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2fat 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

Seems to me the difference here is that BTS had a gig in Japan. Is trying to promote in Japan and so someone brought it up. Even though it's an old photo. Oh no! How Korean of them to go digging around in someone's past looking for a reason to be butthurt. There ya go.

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kpoplove83 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

two wrongs don't make a right though.....

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darkangel452 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

I'm glad she spoke about her experience in Korea, this issue was blown out of proportion.

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flamboyant_pants 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

That's nice of her to offer her perspective.

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LOVEYA00 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

well lots of wannabe famous and jealous fans up here calling this girl out just because she defended BTS...DW BTS AND RANIA..JUST DO YOU

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aloraiscool 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

I can say that she is EXACTLY correct. I was living in Korea for 2 months and I saw vulgar and derogatory words and symbols on children's clothes. I asked my boyfriend (who is Korean) if he even knew what those things mean and he said "No, sorry I don't, It is in English so it just looks cool to me and many Korean people." So sadly not all parts of the world are exposed or educated on all the worlds problems.

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jeyjin 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

It was so sweet of her to do that. I hope she's doing well.

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x.Missy 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

And i hope the koreans can exercise the same consideration too when it comes to their own history

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Starry_Dynamo 29 days ago 13
29 days ago

In 2018, it is not remotely credible that someone from such an advanced country as South Korea wouldn't know about Nazi symbols, or that a mushroom cloud over Japan are unacceptable. Idols need to protect their own image even if their agency or some photographer won't. Learn to say no, or keep getting banned from shows outside of South Korea.

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riae158 29 days ago 2
29 days ago

I can't say much about the bomb, but for the Swastika, it actually is still VERY common in east Asia for people to not know that this was connected to Nazis. The Swastika was originally a symbol of well-being in Hinduism and Buddhism (the latter is very common in east Asia), but it was taken and slightly altered by the Nazis. The change is barely noticeable if you're not very knowledgeable on the topic. The point is, it is totally possible that someone from east Asia WOULDN'T know that it was inappropriate since it wasn't always connected to Nazism and still isn't associated with it in east Asia. I was in South Korea this summer and saw the symbol multiple places, not because it was supposed to be a hateful symbol, but because it's still just tied to Buddhism there. I'd recommend "What Does This Symbol Mean To The Japanese?" (yeah I know it's not Korean, but it's a similar concept) by Asian Boss on YouTube to anyone interested in learning more about this topic.

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kpoplove83 29 days ago 1
29 days ago

this is true but please keep in mind that it's not the same in korea. japan was an ally of germany and as such, they have heavily edited history. that's the main reason their people are ignorant about nazis and hitler and what this symbols is now most commonly associated with... they don't want to admit what they did, so they just simply skip over many things in their education. admitting your mistakes can be embarassing and painful, so they've just edited out a lot of important world history.


however... korea was not a german ally and have not edited it out. the symbol may be used for temples but under the feet of eagles, etc is a clear nazi symbol. HOWEVER i doubt they even noticed it when they gave it to them to wear. the real issue is the atomic bomb shirt.

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riae158 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

That is true, thanks for bringing up that distinction. Overall though, even if they weren't allied with Germany, I don't know if it's heavily taught in schools there (I mean, I wouldn't know for sure, I didn't go to school in Korea so if someone who did wants to jump in, go ahead). I guess it's like how here in the west we may not learn a lot about the east unless it's directly relevant to our history and vice versa.

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caribbeangal 29 days ago 3
29 days ago

Please, even the Japanese dont know about nazi symbols and connotations, nowadays it is an actual trend to use the swastika as a cute text symbol. They have been interviewed about this and the youth literally had no inkling about it.

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Helien 29 days ago 1
29 days ago

The controversy happened in 2015 and people keep bringing it up. So maybe kids today learn about it, but no it's not unbelievable that a country is not widely aware of a historical event. Korean historical curriculum learnt in school is mostly based on their history, asian history and their perceptive of the events in WW2 (AsiaXChinaXJapan), they learn about H*tler and the holoca**t but their historical curriculum concerning this subject is not as ""developed"" as in other parts of the world, it is more based on their ""side of the story"". It is just like American and European that would teach more about their perceptives in the war and not teaching about Asian history in school. So you may think that they could have documented themselves about it, but let's not be hypocritical here, people in the USA or in Europe or whatever mostly don't give a crap about Asia historical events and wouldn't document themselves about it either. But I'm pretty sure that companies are well aware of all of this now. As I said, it happened years ago...

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Starry_Dynamo 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

People in America don't care even about their own history. :)

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pink_oracle 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

Shut up Alex.

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Cydney 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

That is nice of her, but they can speak for themselves. They aren’t children

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northstars 29 days ago 1
29 days ago

Ignorance is never a free pass on getting away with doing wrong.

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ratmonster 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

Well it is though..

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kpoplolita 27 days ago 0
27 days ago

miss me with that bullshit alex...... you were a foreigner in korea......BUT JIMIN IS KOREAN AND HAS ENOUGH EDUCATION AND CULTURAL FACTS TO KNWO WHAT THE BOMB ON HIS EFFIN SHIRT MEANT....

nazi symbolism... thats european but still its widely KNOWN.

stop making excuses for your faves.

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WhippedForCookie 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

Of course she will do that. It's the easiest way to get dedicated armys at her side ready to support her just because she defenfed bts.

Please don't be so naive. It is a scandal and they won't be forgiven so easly when they can't even say sorry. What they did got to me because from my grandparents stories and from school I learned all about nazi crimes and it's simply sad to watch how supposedly artists that should be a model for their fans and who are writing about so many "meaningful" things could be so ignorant in real life. Maybe I would look at it differently if they cared enough to say a simple sorry but since they didn't even bother, worse, they even try to put it under a carpet along with their fans I see no reason to forgive them and forget about everything. They don't even have an idea how many people died in Europe, how many in Japan. Mostly civilans. And it looks like they don't give a damn so they don't deserve to be forgiven. Maybe if their fans weren't so blind and would stop justifying all their wrong doings they would apologize. But as for now for them it looks like they don't even have to since their fans don't see a problem at all.

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2fat 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

Here's the problem. You can't bill yourself all over the world as the "woke" Korean boy band and then be clueless about how you've been presented to the public. From now on Big Hit and the boys are going to need to be a lot more careful. Koreans think they own the high road when it comes to their relationship with Japan but using a mushroom cloud to depict your "liberation" is inflammatory and tactless. So now you know. Go out and do your best but at this point if you're going to be an international success you have to start acting like one.

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aldebaran 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

Cool, so koreans are not racist bad people, just ignorant people that don't care enough...

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1Minoz 29 days ago 1
29 days ago

So Koreans should forgive other idols who wore rising sun flags. Koreans are just as ignorant about other countries' history and cultures.

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renapxn 28 days ago 0
28 days ago

I get what you're trying to say, but it's not the same. The bombs were dropped by the US and the act liberate South Korea as well as many others from the Japanese occupation. Japan however, under the Rising Sun flag; murdered, raped, tortured and experimented on millions all over Asia. The Rising Sun is the equivalent to the Nazi flag. You don't see Germans flying the Nazi flag saying it's "apart of their history and culture", do you?

I think you need to read a book or two before calling Koreans ignorant about the Rising Sun flag. They were being ANIHALATED under it.

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Ah_Chuu 29 days ago 1
29 days ago

It's weird that non-Koreans expect people in South Korea to grok everything that's offensive to other cultural perspectives, when most people in the world really understand very little of what is important to other cultures. How many non-Koreans knew that the rising sun flag imagery was a big deal before Tiffany's scandal? How many of you would know about the ongoing tensions between Japan and Korea if you weren't into Kpop? How many of you would still be getting North and South Korea confused?


People act like they're so enlightened about the realities of WWII, but a good portion of the world thinks Trump is as bad as Hitler so I call bullshit on that too. All most Westerners really know is that Hitler was a dubious artist with a funny moustache who was responsible for a lot of deaths and that imagery of swastikas and atomic bombs is Super Sensitive Stuff, so it's funny to see them looking down on BTS members for not knowing those things... or, I don't know, just pulling on a piece of clothing that's been selected for them without examining it in detail because they have an actual job to do.


Whenever you catch yourself saying, "everyone should really know that", it had better be something really obvious like one plus one or that poking a bear will get your hand bit off, or you probably just don't spend enough time trying to understand people outside of your own circles...

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2fat 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

The problem began because of that tacky insensitive mushroom cloud shirt. The other stuff probably was an accident. That shirt was not.

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magito 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

Well said.

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Anythingyg 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

I know Armys are eating her ass. They’ll be calling her names by tomorrow tho

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Anpanman 29 days ago 4
29 days ago

Jimin isn't 12 tho. And if he can't tell that a photo of a atomic bombing as a t-shirt print is bad..

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Helien 29 days ago 3
29 days ago

As the creator of the shirt said himself, he didn't want to celebrate Japanese losses with the atomic bombing picture. It was used as a historical tool as it is linked to how Korea had its independence (as they were colonized by Japan), and is not used as a device to mock the thousand of deaths caused by the bombs launched during WW2.

The main point of the shirt is Korean Independence, and they already apologised to Their Japanese fans, J-ARMY seem to be supporting the boys, so.

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Anpanman 29 days ago 2
29 days ago

Just plz, a picture of actual bombing and patriotism slogans under it should tell you the meaning of everything already. Even if it was used in a different context using pictures of the atomic bombs that killed at least 200k of people as your t-shirt prints is at least tacky.

I've got no issues with BTS itself now that they've apologized. But babying a grown up man and coming up with insane excuses instead of actually accepting that what he did was wrong (listing my fave ones: "he doesn't understand english!"," japan deserved it", "he wears everything his fans give him", "my friend's cousin's boyfriend's grandpa is 1/10 korean, you don't understand the history!!") is pretty pathetic.

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kpoplove83 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

i know japanese people don't think of that as a nazi symbol since it actually is an ancient symbol and one used to denote a Buddhist temple. however koreans are different because they weren't a german ally who has since tried to rewrite history by leaving things out of their education. koreans know what the nazi symbol is. yet we can let it slide because it's still a buddhist symbol they use.


HOWEVER, of course they know what the atomic bomb was. TBH, if they hadn't worn that shirt, the other stuff would have never been brought to light. It was a bad choice unfortunately and it offended a lot of people. Right or wrong, it offended them and now they are suffering because of it. As celebrities, your actions are often criticized even if you didn't mean anything by it. I don't understand why they don't just apologize and leave it at that. I mean Koreans freaking apologize for everything from dating to getting sick, but yet Big Hit thinks it's best right now NOT to apologize clearly? All they did was say "that wasn't out intention" and basically "if you got offended, we are sorry." But all it would take it just saying "we messed up and should have been more conscious and we're sorry. we'll work hard to not repeat the mistakes in the future." the end. same old garbage people say to the public when they apologize for stuff that doesn't even require an apology (again... dating, getting sick, etc).


thing is.... i understand why koreans dislike japanese people. just as im sure there is still resentment between jewish people and germany. however, when you depend on a large part of your career from being popular in japan (kpop sales in japan have always been massively important) then you best be careful. although i hate it that it was jimin because he already struggles enough with the pressure :/

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Illsick 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

Alex is another brainwashed reject. Never debuted, was treated like an outsider from her group but here she is defending the actions of grown men. Alex the company you were used you as a prop and the rest of those ladies didn’t have have any worse, except they weren’t used as multicultural fodder for international fans.


Whenever idols act racist or disrespectful, all of a sudden Korea is still this ignorant country who doesn’t know about other cultures. Doesn’t know about anything, “an honest no” when confronted.


And yet, idols for over 20 years now have utilized colloquiums from other countries, have a genre named k-pop and k-hip hop. Idols saying nigga, variety shows humiliating other cultures and races.


But yet of course...idols can’t do any wrong, It’s always a misunderstanding. Alex your as stupid as you look

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krell 30 days ago 3
30 days ago

(Trolling) ... ALEXANDRA is 'angling' to RETURN to S.KOREA soon!
As a New Member of the (revived) PRITZ Group,

with the Quasi-Nazi Armbands! ... ;) ... (Nov. 2014)

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_N 29 days ago 2
29 days ago

It's actually almost a copy of Hungarian Nazi Party symbol.

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krell 29 days ago 1
29 days ago

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2014/11/pandagram-apologizes-for-pritzs-armband-controversy-reveals-they-will-not-be-making-any-modifications

PRITZ Group members and their AGENCY had NO IDEA that it might remind anyone of a NAZI visual somehow.

Personally, I have no problem that PRITZ Group used those armbands. I just like remembering PRITZ.

After all, PRITZ = (P)retty (R)angers (I)n the (T)errible (Z)one. WHO would have GUESSED ??? ... ;)


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_N 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

I totally get that! I believe that nobody in this world would use such symbolism with the knowledge what stands behind that or what it might evoke. Still I see it as a serious problem but you're very right... the name fits perfectly.

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srideout91 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

She is trying way too hard to stay relevant In Kpop industry. Girl move on. It is time to find your own identity and move on. Unless you plan on really

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Janembal 30 days ago 3
30 days ago

Who? Oh never mind, it’s another clout trying to get attention by mentioning BTS

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Mkm 29 days ago 1
29 days ago

maybe clout but she is talking from a perspective of the korean society and idols since she lived among them

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Janembal 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

Doesn’t seem that way to me. If she was an older gen idol, she should’ve known many other idols getting backlashed from propaganda and many others from netizens. She should’ve spoken up even BEFORE this happened. Just seems sketchy. just feels like she is trying to clout BTS’s fame and gaining respect from Armies since they have a big fanbase by acting a do gooder when this controversy happened.

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krell 30 days ago 0
30 days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip2mwfG83KE

LOL ... (Trolling) ... Who's That Girl ; Tell Me ; Who's That Girl !!! ... ;)

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Sehunicron 29 days ago 2
29 days ago

of course this poser/artisticfailure would defend other posers/artisticfailures

she doesn't know anything. she's not an expert on the korean mind, this chick couldn't even keep her contract

she'll be working at the carnival soon passing out plush toys just like Kyla from Pristin


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Sera_L 29 days ago 1
29 days ago

Why are you so negative tho, lol. She was just talking about her experience, and it's in no way insulting someone. If you don't like it, you can move on.

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Sehunicron 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

i'm merely calling it as i see it

i dont have any positive feels for bts or their fans. including this ex-wannabe

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Happika999 30 days ago 2
30 days ago

Ew she looks like a duck wearing a wig lol!!.

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Jaerim 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

That is not very nice missy. Do you want me to take away your devices young lady ? This is your mother speaking LOL

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eigb10 29 days ago 0
29 days ago

It's her real hair...... lol

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