krystalanne VitaminWell • Monday, November 21, 2016

Yeah. For 2 years old it's normal to want to play with your playmates toys. You just have to scold them not to take the toys away without permission. Why does she have to hurt the baby?! Worse the baby died!!

AOA_Seolhyunxo intricate • Sunday, November 20, 2016

Uh... it's a '2 year old' we are talking about. Try going up to them and tell them to stop stealing the toy a 100 times, it won't work because they are unable to comprehend that stealing is wrong and would do it again. It is not bad parenting, that woman has temper issues.

Wung_Sejung intricate • Sunday, November 20, 2016

Why don't you google 'Moral development' and 'individual differences'. I think you need to educate yourself before you blame parents. It's okay, if the mother tried to tell the 2 year old not to do that and maybe taking away the toy back and giving it to her daughter while giving some other toy to the 2 year old boy. It is wrong if the mother got angry because of a 2 year old's actions and kill him when he has no idea what he was doing.

intricate AOA_Seolhyunxo • Sunday, November 20, 2016

You guys seem to have a hard time reading eh? It's not about teaching them "stealing" is wrong, the objective is to discipline the kids because they did something bad. Whether or not they pick up on it now or later is far beyond the point. It's about being consistent, and if they immediately understand the meaning of your disciplining congratulations, you have a smart kid, if not, then no worries, keep at it. But to not discipline a kid because they're "just toddlers" is moronic parenting.

L_catzzz intricate • Monday, November 21, 2016

Then I think you didn't understand what those people mean by "it was a toddler, what do you expect". Like Naruta has said, having children is not about punishing them for things they did wrong, but about showing them with lots of love "Again and Again" what's right. This process takes time, like a lot of it. Bcoz we know those little kids can't comprehend a lot of things yet and surely not in a short time. It's not that when those people said "it was a toddler, what do you expect" means that there will be no action taken at all towards the child. It can be coaching, guiding or as u mentioned teaching. Whatever it is to develop the child properly throughout time over again and again without neccessarily using punishment.

L_catzzz intricate • Monday, November 21, 2016

Here's an article on "Positive" Discipline and Punishment which mentioned the difference & effect/impact between the two. It also mentioned about adults/parents different intepretations on the approach of disciplining their child. : http://www. education. com/reference/article/discipline-punishment/. Like the article mentioned, positive discipline requires time. You won't see the result immediately, unlike punishment where it can successfully stops the child to exhibit undesired behavior in the specific situation temporarily, but then behavior often is exhibited in other ways.

intricate L_catzzz • Monday, November 21, 2016

disciplining doesn't always involve harsh words and pain if that's what you're thinking. Also, you shouldn't assume kids don't understand, because they understand a lot more than you think. So if you are consistent they will learn sooner than later what is and isn't right. Fact of the matter remains that it's not up to you to decide when it's time is able to understand something, it's up to the kid to grasp what you're telling them to do and use that to change their own behavior. If you dictate what they can and can't grasp you're only holding them back.

L_catzzz intricate • Monday, November 21, 2016

I know that. That's what I have been saying. Disciplining doesn't neccessarily need to involve punishment hence the positive discipline. My point is that those people who said "it was a toddler, what do you expect", knows that this process takes time and didn't expect to see the result immediately. It's not that there will be no disciplinary action will be taken, perhaps the parents already took some disciplinary actions beforehand but since he is still learning, he might just still didn't get it, therefore still continue doing the act. Which is understandable, bcoz he is indeed just 2 years old.

L_catzzz intricate • Monday, November 21, 2016

Also, I never said kids don't understand things at all. I said they can't comprehend a lot of things especially not "in a short time". Some kids still trying to learn what "no" and "stop" even means at the age of 2. Anyway, I agree with the approach that you've said in your last post. I'm just saying people that said "it was a toddler, what do you expect", probably have the same views as yours, it's just that the intepretation of the word "discipline" might be different in their mind.

intricate L_catzzz • Tuesday, November 22, 2016

No they think they don't have to discipline the toddler because it is a toddler, that's is completely different from what you think they said.

intricate L_catzzz • Tuesday, November 22, 2016

Also, it seems you agree with me on all levels.

lucyj melon • Saturday, November 19, 2016

Bully? He's 2 years old for fuck's sake!

melon lucyj • Saturday, November 19, 2016

so how old do you think you should wait to correct bad behavior? you think because the kid is 2 it's ok? if a kid is displaying any act of being mean to another other kid it should be corrected.

lucyj melon • Saturday, November 19, 2016

Are you stupid or what? He's just 2 years old, he won't properly understand that this is wrong even if you'll tell him. Correcting bad behavior my ass, it's called education and you gradually explain and teach him what is right and what is wrong. Gosh.

Ryen melon • Saturday, November 19, 2016

There are plenty of ways to correct bad behaviors in toddlers. Abuse and brutality isn't one of them, and certainly not murder (or manslaughter, depending on her charge).

melon Ryen • Saturday, November 19, 2016

What the hell are you talking about when did I say to use violence to educate the kid. I said the kid need to learn to not bully others using excuse like he's too young is unacceptable. I said they needed to be told off and kids need to be educated by parent. I didn't say a single thing about abusing the kid was right ni even said throwing the kid was extreme action. Go check your eyes

melon lucyj • Saturday, November 19, 2016

you're the one that's stupid I said kids who bully others need to be told off and their parents need to teach them. What's so wrong about what I said. I said throwing the kid was extreme action done by the other kids mother. You're making excuses saying the kid is only 2. If he can learn to walk, talk, attack others he is old enough to learn not to bully others. also excuse me you're reading an article how do you know this boy doesn't go around hitting kicking other kids all the time? Perhaps that boys parent just let the kid go wild. You teach kids when they are young as soon as they display such behaviour it should be corrected. That is all I'm saying. Here you are saying the boy doesn't understand. LoL so yes great he doesn't understand what he's doing is wrong so this is exsctly what I'm saying he need to be taught by his parents. What's wrong with that? Are you saying he doesn't understand hes only 2 let him carry on hurting other kids? I'm sorry the boy was killed. Kids fight all the time it's normal. I never said he should get killed by others I have no idea what's wrong with you.

Ryen melon • Saturday, November 19, 2016

You actually believed that mother when she said the 2-year-old boy bullied her daughter? And that parents should tell toddlers off for bad behavior? From the way you describe a 2-year-old, it's obvious you have never been around children. Don't try to squeeze in the word 'educate' now just to cover up your ignorance. The fact that you think it's ok to verbally attack toddlers for bad behavior is just tragic, and your attempt to justify your comment by making assumptions about the boy just makes you look pathetic. Before you start labeling the boy a bully (oh, wait, you already have), perhaps you should first look up the definition of bullying. Next, try to read up on child development. You'll see that 2-year-olds aren't capable of understanding how others feel, or see things from another's perspective. The only thing they know is 'I.' That boy stole the toy from the girl because he wanted to play with it, not because he wanted to intentionally hurt the girl. Of course, you're free to tell him off all you want, but he ain't gonna understand why you're telling him off, nor would he know you're telling him off. So before you comment any further, do some studying and research, or spend a day with a 2-year-old, just so you wouldn't sound even dumber here.

kimhyunjoong334 lucyj • Saturday, November 19, 2016

babies are super smart when you tell them somthing at a young age it sticks to them ever heard of playing mozart for a child in a womb have results?

kimhyunjoong334 • Saturday, November 19, 2016

2-year-olds aren't capable of understanding how others feel, " so ignorant they can understand that babies are super smart

Ryen kimhyunjoong334 • Saturday, November 19, 2016

Playing Mozart while the baby is still in a mother's womb can help with the baby's brain development, help reduce stress for the mother (which in turn help reduce stress for the baby), and hearing sounds while in the womb can help the baby become more alert/responsive to sounds after birth, but it doesn't make them smart, or as you put it, 'super-smart.' Any doctor and GP can tell you that the Mozart effect is a myth. It's not 'super-smart' if babies learn something of an early age after being repeatedly taught the same thing, it's called conditioning. The fact that you think you can tell something to a baby and it "sticks to them" shows that you, like @melon, have only been blindly falling for every myth and stereotype on the net rather than actually spending time sifting through the research/studies, or spend actual time with a baby/toddler. I didn't think it was possible to find someone even more ignorant than @melon, but you just took the crown!

kimhyunjoong334 Ryen • Sunday, November 20, 2016

i never said it made them "super smart' but it has positive affect like everything else on them over all starting from an early age. babies have sense of feeling that why they comfort each other and defend others

Ryen kimhyunjoong334 • Sunday, November 20, 2016

We all know that's not what you said, but there's no point trying to correct someone who knows nothing about babies and toddlers, and thought s/he could pretend to be "super-smart" by speaking nonsense. Guess that's what happens when you spend too much time listening to Baby Mozart.

kimhyunjoong334 Ryen • Sunday, November 20, 2016

sigh and what do you know? y do u feel children are too dumb to understand feelings and discipline?

Ryen kimhyunjoong334 • Sunday, November 20, 2016

Are you drunk, high, or did Baby Mozart really messed up your brain? I never said children are dumb. That was you. I'm not repeating myself to illiterate dimwits like you, so I'll break it down to simpler terms. Toddlers AREN'T TOO DUMB to understand feelings and discipline. They are TOO YOUNG. So do yourself a favor, and read a book on child development. Or, like I suggested to your friend @melon there, spend some time around toddlers. The fact that you think 2-year-olds are either 'super-smart' or 'dumb' really makes you look dumb.

L_catzzz kimhyunjoong334 • Monday, November 21, 2016

Like Ryen has mentioned, children are too "young" to understand a lot of things. Their brain hasn't fully develop yet. In fact, it is in developing stage. They can understand certain things like feelings for example, but they can't yet understand the why's of the situation.

L_catzzz melon • Monday, November 21, 2016

I can bet that boy doesn't even know what "bully" is or the act/situation that constitute "bullying". All he knows, he sees the toys that he want and he takes it. He doesn't know that it is wrong, nor understand "why" it is wrong to do so. And yes, I agree that they need to be told off and their parents should need to do something, but does not neccesarily be done by punishing him for what he did.

kimhyunjoong334 L_catzzz • Monday, November 21, 2016

they might not understand why but they understand dont you can teach y at age 4-5 but they understand feelings like sadness havent u seen a 2 year old comfort someone? i have i watched 3 children grow up and all of them understood but the prob is that youre under estimating a childs ability to learn saying theyre too young(too dumb) to understand"Toddlers AREN'T TOO DUMB to understand feelings and discipline. They are TOO YOUNG." basically means too dumb ur talking about lack of knowladge so yes u are sayin dumb. children are smarter than you think though they may not be "baby genius" they know enough to understand "that makes her/him sad u cant do that anymore" something age appropriate discipline thats easier for someone 2 to understand but passing it off saying"hes too young to understand(2) he'll grow out of it (10) its just a phase(16)" is setting up for a fail. its better to teach WHENEVER they do something wrong at any age under 20

kimhyunjoong334 • Monday, November 21, 2016

oh and this is from a parenting site ”1 or 2 years old is too young for punishment. Ah, there's the rub. Discipline isn't about punishment. It's about teaching and guidance, which can -- and should -- start in infancy's earliest stages. “"Just keep explaining the rules, and by age 2 1/2 to 3, he'll begin to understand them and be better able to act on them." “