nami_chan • Friday, September 9, 2016

jun ha * ;)

smokeee ilikeJB • Friday, September 9, 2016

the real problem is people who aren't shit like Jessi trying to talk down to others like she's so authentic and they're not. when in reality Jessi would get eaten up in America which is why she focused on korea's fledgeling hip hop fad knowing she would have a huge advantage bringing american flavor to korea. especially when most korean rappers try ridiculously hard to be american rap style. jessi is like someone who joins the D league to the be the best in it, instead of the A league knowing she will be laughed at.

smokeee • Friday, September 9, 2016

and now she has this ego like she's the baddest and toughest talking down to others who don't have nearly the advantages she did being exposed to the american culture. its such a joke how so many low IQ's, and they're all incredibly low IQ's, that look up to her.

ilikeJB smokeee • Friday, September 9, 2016

Well, you're acting just that though, talking down to others so I guess you'd know better about people who talk down others. She actually explained a lot of times that her strong image is in fact just an image and her tough way of talking is because she lived with her grandmother while in Korea and learned Korean by following her grandmother's strong countryside accent. You talk about low IQ yet you yourself go around tough putting down others so yeah, if Jessi ain't shit well you're shitty as fuck then.

intricate ilikeJB • Friday, September 9, 2016

I guess people should just stop saying they're hip hop and others aren't (or the other way around). Hip hop is mostly a feeling anyway, something that influences what you are and do. Some more than others. But you can't be a feeling, you can only feel it, and express it.

intricate smokeee • Friday, September 9, 2016

you don't have to be a genius to know something's fake or not.

ilikeJB intricate • Friday, September 9, 2016

Exactly. To me, out of all the Koreans, Jessi's statement is actually the closest to what Hip Hop really is. It is actually a lifestyle or better wording would be a culture. Jessi is right, snap backs and gold chains ain't Hip Hop. Tattoos aren't sign of Hip Hop (Jay Z only have that small matching ring tattoos with Beyonce). Hip Hop fashion evolves and for the lack of better terms, unless you got the swag of a hip hop artist, unless you actually do something from the hip hop culture like MCing, DJing, BBoying or Grafitti art, wearing the clothes doesn't make you follow the culture.

micahxo_lu intricate • Friday, September 9, 2016

Just to be clear, hip hop is not a feeling. There's a set definition for it

intricate micahxo_lu • Saturday, September 10, 2016

The definition only contains what is commonly understood as being part of hip hop culture. But whether you only have one or all of those elements doesn't make you more or less part of that subculture. So i meant feeling as in a certain way of how to do things. And just like a feeling, as in emotion, it's different for everybody, it's just that most people are able to identify that feeling when you express it in whatever way you choose. This is why you can play mozart on a violin with a hip hop feel to it that others can actually pick up on. Or clothe yourself with a hip hop feel, or whatever. You don't have to identify with the subculture to express that hip hop feeling, nor do you have to express that feeling in order to be considered part of the sub culture.

intricate • Saturday, September 10, 2016

Now compare that with how hip hop is perceived in SK. Most people have very rigid ideas of what is and isn't hip hop. And so, folks become very vocal about others being part of hip hop, or not, based on their preconceptions of hip hop. This is exactly what Jessi tries to explain as being the biggest misunderstanding about hip hop. And so folks who really care about the subculture get frustrated with those who simply express something that can be hip hop but for some reason consider themselves part of that community, and they get frustrated with folks who accuse them of -not- being hip hop artists because they don't conform to those people's preconceptions of hip hop artists. So somehow the tables are getting turned. Now... i have a pretty negative image of Jessi, but in this case she's exactly hitting the nail on the head. See.... here's the thing, you can be an amazing hip hop artist without being part of the culture, and you could be a person who's doing absolutely nothing to promote the culture, be musically retarded whatever, and still be considered someone who exudes hip hop. You can't "be" hip hop, you can only express it, like an emotion, or a feeling. And if you're adamant about being able to "be" hip hop it's similar to how a painter "is" an expressionist, or a naturalist. It's not that they -are- those things themselves, it's how they express themselves in their art and what they do. It's their work and their actions that "is" those things... so your music can be hip hop, but you yourself can not.

micahxo_lu intricate • Sunday, September 11, 2016

No, it's not a feeling. Just look it up.

intricate micahxo_lu • Sunday, September 11, 2016

Instead of saying "no", tell me what you think hip hop is.. neither the style of music called hip hop, nor the subculture of the same name have a predefined set of qualities along which you can identify them. People just know when it is hip hop and when it isn't. That is exactly the same with a feeling, which is not necessarily the same as an emotion. You sound like someone who tells another person what they should be feeling instead of letting that person tell you how they feel.

micahxo_lu intricate • Sunday, September 11, 2016

I'm not telling you what I think hip-hop is because it's not about what I think. It's just not a feeling, I mean yeah sometimes you can feel like "Oh this is hip-hop" but honestly you could hit or miss with a feeling. This is why hip-hop is not a feeling, but a music genre with a set definition and way to detect that it is indeed hip hop. I sound like a person who just wants you to do some of your own research. You can "feel" however you want, but hip-hop is not a feeling.

ilikeJB micahxo_lu • Monday, September 12, 2016

Hip Hop is not a music genre though. It's a culture. Hip Hop Music is derived from the culture.

intricate micahxo_lu • Monday, September 12, 2016

And what is that set definition?

micahxo_lu ilikeJB • Monday, September 12, 2016

Hip Hop culture is music, it's rapping/mcing, djing, etc.

micahxo_lu intricate • Monday, September 12, 2016

Look it up, do your own research.

intricate micahxo_lu • Monday, September 12, 2016

You're not answering the question because you don't know the answer. I already gave you the definition, which you would also find if you looked for it. Maybe take a leaf out of your own book? "research".. lel...

micahxo_lu intricate • Monday, September 12, 2016

I'm not answering the question because from the beginning I told you to look it up, you're a big boy/girl/nonbinary folk, you can do stuff on your own. And if I gave you a definition, you'd just refute it as I'm not a credible source. So go do some of your own research and then you can tell me if I'm wrong or not.

intricate micahxo_lu • Monday, September 12, 2016

Seems like you have a hard time reading huh? I already told you why you're wrong, and you never told me why i'm wrong.

ilikeJB micahxo_lu • Tuesday, September 13, 2016

Lol what? Basically if you research hip hop, everyone would say it's a culture, not just music. Well, at least people who actually knows what it is, which is not you.

micahxo_lu ilikeJB • Tuesday, September 13, 2016

Oh, the insults are coming. I never said it was limited to music, it's also dance and art. But hip hop music IS hip hop culture, just not all of it. So basically, I am right. And so are you, slightly, because it is a genre. Validation, it feels good right? I just don't see why people are so offensively defensive. I never intended to offend either you or intricate. I guess my words were too blunt, I'm a very blunt person. But in any regard, our misunderstanding seems to be cleared.

intricate micahxo_lu • Tuesday, September 13, 2016

A piece of art can contain all factors that make up hip hop, yet still not be considered part of hip hop culture. Similarly, something can contain no elements of hip hop whatsoever and still be considered part of hip hop. How to determine whether or not something belongs to hip hop or not? Feeling... Hip hop is not rigid, as much as you would like others to believe this. This is what Jessi is trying to explain, and this is the misconception she is trying to point out. If you want to define hip hop you won't get closer than naming a period in time when it surfaced and naming a number of elements that are usually, but not always part of it. The most commonly mentioned artistic expressions being graffiti, rap, DJing, and break dancing. But again, these do not encompass everything that is hip hop, nor does it make anything that contains these part of hip hop either. This is what you will find if you "research" hip hop like you advised me to do. So.... if i'm wrong, and Jessi who is a hip hop artist is wrong, and many others or rather "the internet" are wrong as well, what then, according to you, is hip hop? What is your definition of it? What part of what i said is incorrect, and why?

ilikeJB micahxo_lu • Tuesday, September 13, 2016

You said Hip Hop has a set definition when in culture there is various definition in according to people living it. So in every way Hip Hop has no set definition, Two members in the hip hop community can clash because of their different views in the culture, doesn't make one side less hip hop. There is no set definition. Even DJing is a broad term where EDM comes in and people don't recognize it as Hip Hop but it's own music. Everyone has different definition to it so please, instead of going around saying people are wrong, know that you're not the only one right either.

micahxo_lu ilikeJB • Tuesday, September 13, 2016

Yes, sure. Our misunderstanding is cleared.

micahxo_lu intricate • Tuesday, September 13, 2016

I'm glad you researched, you've taught me something. But I'd still have to debate rather hip-hop is a feeling or not, I'd use a different word than "feeling".

ilikeJB micahxo_lu • Wednesday, September 14, 2016

Feeling is just a word. Get over it.

micahxo_lu ilikeJB • Wednesday, September 14, 2016

You want to argue don't you? And once again you're being offensively defensive. "Just a word", language is built off of words amongst other things. I could see if I was cussing the person out or trying to fight them because of a word, but this is a conversation..... and words matter. Don't know if you knew that.

intricate micahxo_lu • Wednesday, September 14, 2016

the problem is that you don't accept the usage of a certain word. Just because it's used with a nuance you're not used to doesn't mean it's the wrong word, it only means you didn't know of such a use yet. So the one who wants to argue really is you.

ilikeJB micahxo_lu • Thursday, September 15, 2016

I was actually asking you to stop being defensive over a word that is BUILT OFF OF WORDS AMONGST OTHER THINGS. Quoting your own sentence here, "feeling" can be anything here so stop making your definition on it and get over it.

micahxo_lu intricate • Thursday, September 15, 2016

To be honest, if you're talking about culture you need to be specific. Sorry if I thought that nuances wouldn't cut it.

micahxo_lu ilikeJB • Thursday, September 15, 2016

You've misunderstood a lot of my words. But I'll just leave the conversation at this.

intricate micahxo_lu • Thursday, September 15, 2016

"culture" and "specific".. now those are two words that are highly incompatible.

ilikeJB micahxo_lu • Friday, September 16, 2016

Culture is not specific. Just so you know. Especially a culture that is built on current lifestyle, new things can be added in the culture. This is not historical culture, this is one part of society's culture. It can never be specific. You kept saying I misunderstood but you're pushing your own definition onto others. You said it to be a conversation when you're actually just cussing a person over a word, "feeling" that is a broad term. It's JUST A WORD that you yourself had decided to be specific about, so get over it.

fantasticlau ramdn • Friday, September 9, 2016

Then I recommend you to go find another interest other than Korea/Korean music because hip hop is basically an essential to Koreans and also K-Pop.

RAS33 fantasticlau • Friday, September 9, 2016

it really isn't lol

Herkim ramdn • Friday, September 9, 2016

Why are you annoying yourself by being around K pop?

micahxo_lu ramdn • Friday, September 9, 2016

"Why is Korean music diversifying itself!!??" is all I could get from your comment

fantasticlau RAS33 • Saturday, September 10, 2016

Yeah it is. That's why hip-hop groups do better than just pop groups.

RAS33 fantasticlau • Saturday, September 10, 2016

hahaha, really, where? Do you only listen to boy groups? Hip hop is still new areas for kpop

fantasticlau RAS33 • Monday, September 12, 2016

Clearly you don't have much information about Korean music. Even just SMTM itself is enough to prove that hip hop is the most loved genre after ballad, which is also an essential.

MeniNova trboo • Thursday, September 8, 2016

Agreed! My view on this matter may not matter as much as I'm not African American but I do think that Hip Hop was created as a means of staying out of trouble and venting out their frustrations. It's not like these Korean rappers like Tablo, Jessi, CL, etc who have had privileged and can freely play dress up.

MeniNova trboo • Thursday, September 8, 2016

I don't know about the likes of Korean rappers like Keith Ape, Okasian, Iron, or even JayAllDay. I'm just adding my 2 cents to the discussion.

SJELF2ne1BJ trboo • Friday, September 9, 2016

Im curious as to how you view Korean rappers who rap about personal experiences and create lyrics based on such (their struggles, venting frustrations, getting a message out, and stuff) like in Agust D's mixtape or RM's. Would you consider that to be 'authentic'?

trboo SJELF2ne1BJ • Saturday, September 10, 2016

Yes, there are great Korean rappers that exist and tell their real personal stories effectively. And the artists that you mention - Rap Monster and Agust D are some of those rappers. However, rap and hip-hop are different things. Being a rapper does not make one a hip-hop artist - which is more about culture than style or lyric delivery. The struggle I have with Korean rap what I stated above - it's very common for rap artists to dress up in cosplay and act a certain way because that's their idea of becoming part of hip-hop *culture*. That often comes from a lack of understanding and respect for the culture from where modern hip-hop was exported and the history around its development.

SJELF2ne1BJ trboo • Saturday, September 10, 2016

Ah, ok, I understand now. Thank you for the clarification!

SJELF2ne1BJ trboo • Saturday, September 10, 2016

I guess I usually thought of the two as synonymous, which is where my point of confusion was, but now I understand your point.