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South Korean Supreme Court rules that moral and religious beliefs are valid reasons to refuse conscripted military service

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On November 1, South Korea's Supreme Court declared that it is no longer a crime for those with a valid reason including reasons of religion, moral views, and more, to refuse the nation's law of mandatory conscription. 


The trial which took place on November 1 involved a member of Jehovah's Witnesses named Oh, who refused to enlist for his mandatory service in 2013. Oh was found guilty, appealed the court's decision once, lost his first appeal, and attended his second appeal on this day.



Previously, the law stated that any capable individual who refuses to enlist for mandatory service is punishable by up to 3 years in prison, "unless there is a valid reason". Back in 2004, when a similar court case involving an individual who refused conscription for religious reasons took place, the same Supreme Court dismissed the case as having "invalid reasons". 

Sources say that around 19,000 objectors have been jailed for refusing conscription since 1950, most of them Jehovah's Witnesses.

Following this ruling, which claimed that "To enforce conscripted military service would be placing limitations on one's freedom of conscience," the Ministry of National Defense has announced plans to seek an alternative for those who appeal against the nation's mandatory conscripted service. Until an alternative is in place, individuals involved in court trials for the above matters will have their mandatory services delayed. 

Many are currently raising voices of opposition to this new ruling, "This ruling was a highly political move, and therefore unfortunate", "Those diligently carrying out their mandatory service may likely feel a great sense of betrayal from this ruling", as well as "We all went to the army for nothing", "Do you think we offered our time and efforts toward military service because we don't have liberal consciences or something", and more. 
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renapxn 18 days ago 27
18 days ago

They need to scrap mandatory enlistment. All countries that have it need to do so. It goes against human rights and it forces people to fight in wars that are started by old men who make young men die for their cause.

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Mich_le 18 days ago 14
18 days ago

You do realize that North and South Korea are still at war

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Blink_Once_3202 18 days ago 0
18 days ago

Lol which generation are you living bro?

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mamley_quartey 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

Theoretically convenient for the west. Practically and realistically- NO!

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renapxn 18 days ago 10
18 days ago

Uhh.. Did you miss the whole meeting between Kim Jong Un and Moon Jae In where they signed a peace treaty?

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joshuaology 18 days ago 1
18 days ago

I'm sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree. Military service isn't as bad as it sounds (unless there is a war, of course). In my country, we also have this system of military service, and the rules here are far stricter than Korea's, but it helps men in more ways than it hurts them. It toughens them up, and actually, many men actually enjoy military service! They also feel more proud of their country, which they should considering that it's in their blood and history. It's not as bad as it sounds at all, forget the rumours swirling around it. And no, I don't think it goes against Human rights.

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renapxn 18 days ago 0
18 days ago

Yay for your country.. But being forced to prepare for a war that you have no say in and you are fighting for men who sit comfortably in their office while you die for them goes against human rights.

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hexrealm 18 days ago 7
18 days ago

might as well say all countries should stop making weapons... unless you can guarantee one country won't invade another, mandatory enlistment can serve as a deterrent as you are not an easy piece of meat like Kuwait.

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nq16 18 days ago 2
18 days ago

everyones going to become a jehovah's witness now to evade military service now lol.

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SadChemE 18 days ago 0
18 days ago

Thanks for the giggle 😂

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mamley_quartey 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

Nah! Too many things to give up if one became a J-witness

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Drogo24 18 days ago 7
18 days ago

Said by religion who slaughtered millions so they can convert them to Christianity. Almost all religion are tainted with blood. Enough with your hypocrisy!

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mamley_quartey 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

Ditto- agree totally. Many world issues and useless wars were brought about by religion

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joshuaology 18 days ago 3
18 days ago

Please don't say that about Christianity. Please. Or about any religion. Thank you.

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mikeyinthevg 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

you have no idea what you're talking about

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primazaza 18 days ago 0
18 days ago

Well soon all the men in Korea will turn to be some Jehovah witnesses to avoid military duty. It's so stupid to consider a religion as a valid reason. Just get rid of mandatory military duty then.

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ALICE617 18 days ago 0
18 days ago

웃기고있네 종교를 빙자해서 나라에 대한 의무를 저버리니까 좋냐? 겁쟁이 같은 닭같은 놈들...

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mikeyinthevg 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

Just enlist, don't be a poosie

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ATA 17 days ago 1
17 days ago

I think people are missing a few pieces of information. First of all, they would still be required to serve, just not in the military. Second of all, there have been many cases of Jehova's Witnesses being bullied, beaten, tortured and even killed while in the military or while serving their jail sentences. If they choose to serve a jail sentence instead of the military (which most do) it's almost impossible for them to find a job later. As long as they have guidelines in place, I don't see the problem with this ruling. (also, maybe if they changed the conditions of the soldiers (especially the abuse) maybe people wouldn't be so opposed to others not serving)

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KpopDagger 16 days ago 0
16 days ago

true ATA

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mamley_quartey 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

Religious reasons for refusing to enlist is not a good reason in my view, however, the idea that conscription is mandatory itself is wrong and should be looked at again with the possible view of scrapping it altogether. Many countries did that during the warring years and have had to stop.

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rrodriguez0309 18 days ago 4
18 days ago

watch korea becomes the no.1 country with Jehovah's witness to avoid enlisting in the military lol!! I can't wait to see how many idols switch relegions!

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activity_grrl 18 days ago 2
18 days ago

I used to be a Jehovah's witness and it sucked, there's so many rules to follow and things you can't do, you can't even be a celebrity so I doubt we'd see that

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supremejimin 17 days ago 1
17 days ago

well im a jehovah witness that likes kpop but i might not know the reason why you left, but jehovah gave us these rules to help us and to the right things and you are not forced to follow them if you don't want to listen to them but you shouldn't say it sucked i know you might have your personal opinion but you should keep that to yourself but to me being a jehovah witness is the best thing that ever happened to me.

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KpopDagger 16 days ago 0
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Blink_Once_3202 18 days ago 0
18 days ago

Yeet, it'll be interesting haha. But I think they'll still have pressure from society to be a 'man' and join the army.

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myma 17 days ago 2
17 days ago

Freedom isn't free. 26 countries in the world have mandatory military service, including places like Norway and Switzerland. Until recently Italy, Germany, and France all had military service - I have known several people from those countries who have served, including my Italian brother-in-law and a couple friends in grad school. Conscientious objectors in those countries, where allowed, still serve but in desk non-combat jobs.


Fun fact: friends of mine are dual US-Israel citizens. Their boys did their Israeli army service at age 18, as a sort of gap year before college. And above a certain rank in Israel, when you return to the country they hand you a side arm at the airport. (True! In the US, I worked with a US green card / Israeli army colonel, this happened to him once or twice a year when he would travel back.)


The US stopped the draft after the Vietnam War, which didn't go well - the draft or the war. It went so well the US will probably not go back to a mandatory draft in my lifetime, unless there is WW3. My hometown finally had a "welcome home Vietnam veterans" parade … in 2011. Somehow my father was always in the draft-excluded group, but some of his friends were not. Fun fact: Bruce Springsteen "Born in the USA" is actually a Vietnam war draft protest song.

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2fat 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

Young men still have register for the draft in the US. They can reinstate it anytime they need too.

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KpopDagger 16 days ago 0
16 days ago

True mym

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supremejimin 17 days ago 1
17 days ago

i am a jehovah witness and we believe that being in the army, being in wars is all violence and we don't support violence because god said that in the bible. so we think that all countries in war and being in the army you are basically killing your brothers or sisters because we were all created by god. i hope this helps you guys understand why we refuse to be in the army.

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Kdevil604 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

LOL go jump from a bridge.....study the origins of jehovah's witness. WAKE UP

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DredgeRivers 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

News Flash*** Korean Jehovah's Witness Churches See Massive Increase in Followers*** Lol!

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Jaerim 18 days ago 0
18 days ago

conscripted military = unwilling soldiers

American military/NATO is all volunteers and they are all willing to fight and die for the country

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shakesmilk 18 days ago 0
18 days ago

That's funny, that's pretty much reasonable for any religion then. Not just Jehovah's. Might as well make enlistment free for all, rather than it being a mandatory thing.

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mipcy 18 days ago 0
18 days ago

LOL with this new ruling, might as well stop the whole thing. Folks are gonna put up excuses to not want to go.

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KpopDagger 16 days ago 0
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KpopDagger 16 days ago 0
16 days ago

Yes Fin

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MunchieMinx 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

About time, an even better notion would be to make the whole idea--VOLUNTARY! Plenty of other countries around the world have voluntary enlistment and it doesn't hurt their military numbers in the slightest. Countries that still FORCE enlistment, are living in the Dark Ages. Furthermore, most of these countries (including South Korea) report multiple abuses of power, solider incidents, slave labor style assignments and injury (not to mention LOADS of consigned Korean men had to fight at the side of allied nations in wars that have zero to nothing to do with the North-South divisions as part of their "national pride" (Iraq conflict Anyone?). Telling someone they HAVE to fight to be a "proper" national citizen is barbaric, no matter how much nationalist "pride" (and inaccurate LIES) you assign it.

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Kdevil604 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

I watched a documentary on the origins of jehovah's witness....LOL


better off these people not serve in the military.

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pink_oracle 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

How do they claim it goes against their religious beliefs? If it's because their starlord tells them they can't kill or hurt other people then there are other positions they can fill that keep them away from combat, problem solved.

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SoHeeDoll 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

I don't think this is a good idea at all.

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xBTSxARMYx 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

In my opinion, the military service can have both negative and positive consequences. Yes, I understand the need for men to go into the military. It trains them so if something does happen and a war starts, the men know what to do. If they don't have the required service, it can leave them unprepared for war and cause more casualties. To me, it really depends on how you look at it.

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Great_Turtle 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

There are different category's of mandatory conscription other than actual military service in Korea so this shouldn't be a huge issue....really it shouldn't be anyway even if they were conscientious objectors because that only becomes an issue in a shooting war and other military's have dealt with this before...


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D_Liam 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

as much as I don't like manditory enlisting, but this exception is stupid. "moral and religious belief' my ass. and there people are harashing kpop idols for delaying their englistment,

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Wang_LouisXIV 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

There is one simple way to handle this. Service is still mandatory. It just does not have to be in the military. They just need to find non-military positions that can be open to a continued 2-year rotation of individuals. If the positions do not require physical labor or aptitude, they can also reduce the waiving of service for medical reason.

These jobs would typical be viewed as civil service types jobs. So South Korean has to ask itself. does it have enough labor in civil service areas that do not require the exam. Level 0 Civil servant? ;)

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walkertexasrange 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

Also if you are BTS you don’t need to enlist

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2fat 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

Oh well this kind of changes the idea that people are shit just because they don't serve. I mean if you can be dragged endlessly and forever because you didn't serve for uncontrollable things like health problems, how will the torch and pitchfork crowd handle "conscientious objectors"? This is gonna be fun watch the angry mob's heads explode.

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whatever101 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

as my messiah i personally vouch than that the government releases G-DRAGON from prison

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aloraiscool 18 days ago 0
18 days ago

I think this is a great idea that should have been passed sooner. Just because I am an abled body doesn't mean I feel comfortable wielding a gun.

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eottoke 18 days ago 1
18 days ago

this law is unjust because it only cater to certain religions. so what if a korean guy join jehovah witnesses, will he also be to refuse military enlistment?

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bangeryun94 18 days ago 0
18 days ago

Don't look for this to set a precedent. Korean men are going to be conscripted. And conscientious objectors will still go to prison.

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dancingbella23 17 days ago 1
17 days ago

I hope they realize that Jehovah's Witnesses is not a religion. It is a cult.....

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supremejimin 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

please tell me how it's a cult because if you don't actaully know then don't say anything.

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cpttsubasa 18 days ago 5
18 days ago

Being a fucking cult member is a valid moral reason to avoid military service?


I thought South Korea is a secular country. Well at least I know it is a highly corrupted country.

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supremejimin 17 days ago 1
17 days ago

excuse me but being a jehovah witness is not part of a cult so if you don't even know this yourself don't say that because your telling lies and people will believe them thanks.

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cpttsubasa 17 days ago 0
17 days ago

In my country they are considered a cult. Theoretically you can name every religious community a cult, even the official christian churches. Not sure why you are upset about this.

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mamley_quartey 17 days ago 2
17 days ago

South Korea is NOT a circular country. It is Buddhist predominantly with a few other Christian and other religions thrown in.

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Anpanman 18 days ago 10
18 days ago

Basically the ones who are offended are those who are salty they served in the army already. Unless SK changes the army itself and improves the conditions: makes bullying impossible/or the punishment for it stricter, scraps mandatory service etc the ones who will refuse to serve will still face negative reactions.

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kizaru_hijin 17 days ago 9
17 days ago

"makes bullying impossible" ironic, coming from you longan lychee, the most disgusting bully here...

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Anpanman 17 days ago 8
17 days ago

Ewww don't reply to me ever again, ugly

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srideout91 18 days ago 0
18 days ago

Lord have mercy..

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Anythingyg 18 days ago 3
18 days ago

wtf on America a draft is a fucking draft.

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crowboy 18 days ago 2
18 days ago

America does not have conscription. I mean, men between certain ages have to 'enroll' so, should there be a massive war which would necessitate mandatory enlistment, they would be drafted... but that's incomparable to Korea's military situation.

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Anythingyg 18 days ago 1
18 days ago

when did i say it was?

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crowboy 18 days ago 0
18 days ago

you compared korea and america in regards to conscription. you can say you weren't comparing but on an article about korean military enlistment you mentioned (what you seemed to think was) a difference between korean and american enlistment, even if you didn't explicitly mention korea. still, how can it be anything but a comparison considering the context?


IRONICALLY a similarity the korean and american military share, now, is that people can practice "conscientious objection". and america allowed it first. "a draft is a fucking draft", huh?

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