Toth_Katalin daebakmusic • Thursday, June 30, 2016

papa yg can't get shit done tbh. "exit is a year long project" one day from now it is july, only exit:e is out and they are going on another japan tour with only 5 more tracks than their last japan tour. I'm happy for them, but it's ridiculously clear how yg is just milking them for money and getting them out of the way so that he can do girl groups. the truth is, I'm really happy about black pink, everything about the group sounds like what I have always wanted in a girl group but I totally agree that he can't even manage his existing 4 groups let alone two more. he'll just toss them in the trash anyway if they don't work out that well. on the other hand though I don't think 2ne1 is coming back. when minzy left he was going on about a "summer comeback" but where is that? cl is in america, bom is nowhere, dara is doing her thing and minzy LEFT and now there will be another girl group. so, I'm sad about this, but we probably won't be able to see 2ne1 again.

Toth_Katalin whatever101 • Thursday, June 30, 2016

babe ikon debuted last september with flying colors and sales much better than bts's debut and honestly, no worth comparing to exo we all now what exo is like. same with winner's debut only winner has been horribly managed with a one year hiatus right after debut, so yeah, you can write down winner but not ikon, not just yet. with the favoritism yg is showing for ikon they might just become the next big ass group. they are young yet, and the main problem is that people EXPECT them to be the next bigbang. stop that. I don't approve of the two girl groups at the same time and the mishandling of both winner and ikon but I mean check your facts first. nobody here mentioned bts or exo because both group are basically veterans at this point with virtually the biggest korean fandoms and arguably western fandom as well. u do realize that u just compared a group that although has been around for some time only debuted like 9 month ago to two of the biggest groups out there. good job

oumaima121 n_num • Wednesday, June 29, 2016

maybe

Toth_Katalin gigi9 • Wednesday, June 29, 2016

winner and ikon fans fight because of bullshit like that and people like you.

gigi9 Toth_Katalin • Thursday, June 30, 2016

Bcoz they are a bunch of 12 year olds who can't see or accept facts, btw am a huge fan of both

Toth_Katalin gigi9 • Thursday, June 30, 2016

"I am a huge fan of both" does not justify your shitty opinion. you can't just say that and than drag ikon through the dirt saying they aren't as talented as winner and that only bobby and b.i are the real talents there. why even compare if you know full well (see: "they still have a long way to go as asrtists) that ikon hasn't been around that long, they have a lot of members compared to winner, are more focused on group dynamics than personal stuff. the two groups are essentially different, winner is smaller, all members have the opportunity to show their talent and honestly I think they are the only yg group that has fair line distribution. with ikon, bobby b.i junhoe and jinhwan were put in the middle in the beginning because at that point they were much better than other ikon members. the problem with that is that once you are the focus, you usually become the most popular member as well which is why it is not only beneficial to put you in the middle again and again but not beneficial for other members to majorly imporve themselves, because there is no need for it. I hope that doesn't happen though. the thing is, what fans are fighting about is usually not sensible things but stupid shit, most people project on the other group's fans their feelings about the lack of proper promotion and comebacks of winner or how winner fans so very much insist on winner being much better than ikon. sure there is a lot of childish fighting going on BASED ON COMPARISON OF THE TWO GROUPS WHICH YOU HAVE JUST DONE. congrats

gigi9 Toth_Katalin • Thursday, June 30, 2016

I know it must be hard for you to accept that the maknaes of ikon are still stars in the making, but if u look at them again not from a biased eyes of a fan but from the eye of a critic, you'll understand that is why even after what they've been thru during WIN only Bobby bi and Jinhwan were fixed members while the others faced the possibility of being replaced by totally new trainees, bcoz in the eyes of the experts ( the judges) and in the eyes of YG they were all still lacking, and they are way younger that is why. I only said what I said bcoz i was annoyed at WINNER'S fans they are being too childish saying YG only favors IKON, had to remind them that WINNER members are older so they are one step ahead as individuals. And don't say it's bcoz those ppl are 5 and the others are 7, that has nothing to do with it, seunghoon who grabbed the attention of everyone in Kpop star wud hv still shined in a 7 member group, u know a guy like Mino wud have stood out even in 12 member group and the same goes for seungyoon and taehyun, bcoz they are older and they already discovered their own sounds ( btw this isn't my words these are the words of the judges from WIN and they know what they're talking about) Point is both are doing well in their own way, and both are growing ppl shud stop saying YG did this n YG did that

gigi9 Toth_Katalin • Thursday, June 30, 2016

One more thing being mature also means accepting and taking things with an open mind, I personally prefer IKON, it's a personal preference, even though I know the points where they lack and the points where they excel I still prefer them even though I do compare them to WINNER, comparisons are inevitable if you're and adult you'll know that most things in life is a competition, but adults don't fight over petty things if they lose they do better and if they lack something they improved it. So dear fan wars isn't bcoz ppl compare which is a normal thing to do, fan wars happen bcoz they are just childish

Toth_Katalin gigi9 • Friday, July 1, 2016

I am not here to prove to you that I am an adult, or that my opinion of what maturity is is better or more valid than yours, because both are just that, opinions. you were trying to remind winner fans, that yg doesn't only favor ikon and you think winner fans are childish. that's very nice, I'm sure we appreciate the care, but maybe, just MAYBE it backfired a little bit? you argued that bc they have personal talent and bc of that individual schedules (which they don't really have more of than ikon btw but anyway), ikon isn't favored. this is just speculation but bobby getting his solo 9 months into debut, and mino only 23 (mino getting his solo is also probably happening because yg wants more money from winner that he doesn't think they can bring in with exit), the differences in comebacks and releases, the fact that yg is releasing more and more statements which include being "dissapointed in winner", the fact that I have heard nothing about the company charging the group of korean ikon fansite admins that have for the last year or maybe more pretended to be winner fans and trashed them and played the media in a way that changed the public opinion of winner for the worse (which is illegal btw), the fact that yg just doesn't see that much potential (money) in winner as he does in ikon as a group and gives them less opportunities dispite the fact that you yourself think winner is more talented would be the perfect argument to prove that yg is in fact favoring ikon. apparently you, the mature accepting of facts person (© You) has not accepted that just yet. please, if you are ready to make comparisons between their personal talents without regard to how long they have been around, together, who and why they are in focus of the group, line distribution, style and dynamics, also be ready to make comparisons between treatment and managements of the groups. also "Point is both are doing well in their own way, and both are growing ppl shud stop saying YG did this n YG did that" is probs the most ridiculous thing I read today on the internet lol