I hate to be that guy but notice that cube doesn’t heavily promote in China. Notice that the Chinese member(understandably so since she would face government backlash) hasn’t comment(if she did I haven’t seen it yet my bad). There are companies with Chinese/ethnically Chinese idols and they would never allow them to speak out. Good job for her to speak out BUT its only allowed because it won’t hurt the pockets of cube. Kpop fans hold these companies accountable. There’s companies with idols from China or mandarin speaking countries who will not allow their any of their artist to speak up against this. We need to stop expecting the bare minimum and make these companies put their greed to the side. Women are being beaten for rejecting someone and they get beat for it and our favs(Chinese and non Chinese) can’t say anything because theirs money to be made in China. If we’re gonna stand for justice it should be arbitrary and not convenient. I’m not hating on her for standing up BUT it won’t hurt cubes pockets and she’s from Taiwan. If we’re gonna stand up for injustice let’s encourage companies to let artist speak up when it doesn’t fit the agenda of their pockets.
There is no reason for Chinese members to face backlash from their Government over this issue. Whenever these kind of incidents happen, Weibo comes alive with people condemming the perpetrators. This is normal just like in any other country.
You seem to have the impression that Chinese people cannot freely express their thought for some reason.
I appreciate her standing up for the female victims. But I need to point out that she doesn't stand up for her own country Taiwan. She uses weibo and doesnt correct others when they say she's from China and not Taiwan. There's a limit to what she speaks out for, i guess.
Technically, she is from China since Taiwan is part of China, and not a separate country.
He was born in Canada.
But he is Chinese.
that why lisa dont say anything bout what happen in thailand because thing like this might happen to her
Yup, sadly since netizens can be so toxic and vicious.
I missed Henry's original comments but understand why netizens are up in the air. My thoughts on any endorsement of the CCP? Peng Shuai (tennis player) claimed that a high ranking Chinese official raped her and then disappeared. When she reappeared, she suddenly recanted her story. How about this news blurb about Xinjiang internment camps (Wikipedia):
"As of 2020, it was estimated that Chinese authorities may have detained up to 1.8 million people, mostly Uyghurs but also including Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and other ethnic Turkic Muslims, Christians, as well as some foreign citizens including Kazakhstanis, in these secretive internment camps located throughout the region."
No government is perfect but the examples above are an example of what I would not want to endorse.
You do know that those examples are fake right?
I won't speak on the issues Korean fans may or may not have against him in regards to the allegations of cultural appropriation. The fact is that he's promoting in China and has actively before supported issues such as One China policy, which is frustrating considering his Taiwanese background. The fact of the matter is he cannot have it both ways. I understand and recognize that it is dangerous for Chinese celebrities to speak out against the Chinese government. But a person cannot quietly benefit from their celebrity in a country that persecutes or harms a specific group of individuals, then claim that their ethnicity is why so many people are against them. I don't know Henry or his personal thoughts on these issues, but the facts are firm in that he made those choices. He cannot cry fowl now that people of differing political opinions do not favor him.
What you said does not make sense. Which specific group has been harmed by which country?
And what is wrong with supporting the One China Policy? It is the right policy as Taiwan has always been a part of China.
He's got no one to blame but himself, he went out of his way to show his Chinese nationalistic side while promoting in China...did he think it was going to stay over the firewall?? Does he not know the tension between Korean netizens and Chinese netizens?? I'm sure he wasn't that oblivious.
He is Chinese. There is nothing wrong with supporting your own country.
If music is supposed to bridge language barriers and unite people all over the world, isn't it a bit contrary to support an authoritarian government like the CCP while trying to convince people that your music is pure and genuine? I don't know. I can't exactly state my opinion because I don't personally know Henry, but I will say that his views on the One China Policy has left a bad taste in my mouth concerning him and his career, and I know I can't be the only one who feels this way.
I think the problem is with you and like-minded people who seem to have a mental block in viewing the Chinese government as bad. Just because the way the Chinese run their country and engage in foreign affairs is different from your country does not make it bad.
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The tanks moved around him so he survived.
By that logic we should support nazis so long as they can spit out a good tune. It doesn't work, if you're a public figure supporting something bad then you're going to lose fans. You can't sell out and then get mad when people call you out on it.
The issue is that he did not support anything bad yet netizens are going crazy like rabid dogs.
true , I drop GOT7 cuz Jackson not only he were against the Hong kong protest but also with Uighurs detention camps, you cant really support a political party and then complain when other ppl hate on you for that.
The Hong Kong protest was unjustifiable with unreasonable demands.
While the so-called detention camps are figments of western propaganda.
Facts only
The same why I cannot support or like Jackson from GOT7. He supported mainland China during the Hong Kong protests
Cowards and disgraceful
Because those Hong Kong protesters were destructive and affecting innocent people and businesses.
What lol? He’s the one who said political comments in the past. This is why I stopped listening to his music. You simply cant support the ccp to make more money, and then start complaining when other ppl dont like it. You reap what you sow. He just looks pathetic now.
The issue is that netizens are so unreasonable as there is objectively nothing wrong with supporting one's own country and government.
It is sad that so many idiots are leaving anti China comments here.
And those netizens are rather disgusting for cursing and attacking Henry for supporting his own country. What is wrong with supporting one's own nation?
the student council shouldn't said that if they want to explain why not just say we have not enough funds to pay the top groups not say because it's free wth is that! should be the student councils is the smartest in a class or they just vote this student councils cuz they are popular but dumb ?
But that would not have reflected the truth of the matter.
Ultimately, it was the students who complained who should be faulted. The fact that they complained is an insult to the kpop group.
the university down right did them dirty. free performance and can't keep their mouths shut
It was the fault of the students who complained. Those students obviously look down on lesser known kpop groups. So the student council was forced to respond.
If they kick her out from the start, the issue will not grew this big and now the company has to pay consequences because they kept going to debut her though knowing her school bullying.
It would have been unfair to kick her out over false accusations.
You forgot that there's no evidence that it was true and you only believed company's statement. The only legit proof was Garam getting #5 punishment and confirmed instigator according to record of Ministry of Education.
Also, don't act like Garam got no connections when Hybe and SouMu can't even let her go despite being rookie in this mess... thus proving that her family also got their own capability.
Hybe and SouMu did not let her go because she is a victim of false accusations, and it will be extremely unfair to drop her based on lies.
At this point they are just digging a deeper whole with each statement they put out. They should just terminate her contract and let her deal with her consequences on her own. She is tainting the groups image.
You mean the company should throw her under the bus and let her face the false accusations by herself? That will be very unfair for Garam and will only embolden those who are spreading all these lies.
This was posted anonymously on an online forum, so I am taking it with a grain of salt, but I’m just saying that it would be crazy *IF* Garam really said that about Sakura.
Obviously, just based on common sense, Garam did not say such a thing.
At this point I'm just so sorry that a trash company that supports bullies and bully fans and doesn't give a damn to anything but money is this rich and is getting richer day by day
What I can see is a company that supports people who have been falsely accused of actions that they did not commit.
I mean, it was obvious that they were lying. How can the school give level 5 punishment to Garam for “cursing” in defense of her friend and let off the victim who allegedly did molka scot free??
Obviously, the committee gave a punishment that was out of proportion to the offense, since the offense was only verbal confrontation in response to the perpetrator taking compromising photos of another student without permission. I really wonder what is the background of the perpetrator that allowed her to escspe punishment.
Personally, I don't think Garam is worth all this trouble. Hybe has more to lose in keeping her than losing her at this point.
It is not just a matter of whether the company has more to gain or lose. It is about standing up for what is right and to fight against all false accusations.
because of hybe's statement that garam is a bullying victim instead of the other way around, the girl she bullied got doxxed and bullied by her fans to the point of almost committing suic*de. her parents asked hybe to retract the statement but got ignored so the victim continue to suffer. only then they lawyered up. what else should they do then?
Well...that 'victim' should have thought about the consequences before taking compromising photos of Garam's friend without permission.
I simply can't understand how can hybe not dig into their trainee's pasts. And honestly , I can't understand why are they going against the committee. The committe cannot be wrong ... Each time they defend Kim garam , it just puts them back into the hot mess. Even the employees are unsatisfied and disappointed in them . Hybe better take this seriously , people actually died .
Why can't the committee be wrong? It gave a level 5 punishment to Garam for confronting a student who took compromising photos of another student. There was no physical violence and only verbal sparring. The punishment was disproportionate to the offense.
I really feel Garam is a person with lot of connections and that is the reason Hybe's not letting her go. Hybe is a greedy company. Will do anything for money. Now I wanna know what her parents do.
I doubt Garam has lots of connections. HYBE is defending her because they believe most of the accusations are false and Garam was unfairly treated.
In fact, if there is anyone with connections, it could very well be the so-called victim. How else did she manage to escape punishment after taking compromising photos of another girl without permission?
Are u dumb or just a troll i cant tell
Are you saying that taking compromising photos of someone changing is not being perverted?
Garam's mother didn't appeal the punishment because Garam was the bully.
No, not true. The mother did not appeal because she trusted the decision that was made by the committee.
verbal fight wont get you degree 5 punishment. it would be something more severe.
In this case, that verbal fight resulted in degree 5 punishment, so you cannot say that it does not happen.
You are just repeating what the representatives of Garam said. No actual proof. While MANY students are saying that Garam was known as a bully with pictures. Also you ignore that she was punished for bullying with actual records, and the ministry of education already confirmed Garam was in a physical altercation.
Well in goes both ways. No concrete proof of Garam being her bully. And the testimonies of the so-called many students can hardly be considered reliable sources of information.
Not sure where you plucked out the info that there was physical altercation.
Ah... is it hard to just quit being celebrity and apologized to the public especially to the victims? Why still keep defending and
how long they will dragged this?
HYBE is really a mess...
Why should Garam and HYBE apologise over false allegations just to please the herd?
This mother should rather regret not educating her daughter in the first place.. & you hybe will also regret shielding a bully & covering up her true colors
So you are saying the mother should regret not teaching her daughter to just mind her own business when her friend gets bullied and to not take perpetrator to task?
What? Her mother didn't appeal because she treated the punishment as extra credit??? Did her mother not care for her daughter's records to allow this?? They previously mentioned that Kim Garam was bullied so bad the teachers had to step in and make bullies apologize to her, these same teachers who gave her the worst punishment for a middle schooler for an allegedly false accusation? Then are the testimonies of alumni and school mates who even had pictures of her all lies?
Mother did not appeal because she trusted the decision of the committee. Obviously her trust was misplaced.
This is not the first time in which multiple testimonies have been proven to be false.
I'm wondering if garam had any related to hybe staff cuz they really be protecting the shiit out of her, looking at this case if hybe keep denying her wrongdoing more witness will come forward to give their statement
They are protecting her because most of the accusations are false. The so-called victim took compromising images of Garam's friend. Garam confronted the perpetrator to defend her friend. She went overboard with her verbal sparring but there was no physical violence. Perpetrator called for the sch violence committee over this confrontation and Garam was penalised. Perpetrator escaped scot-free. I hope this is settled soon as it is very unfair to Garam.
Are there any news articles which confirm that she had surgery? I may have missed reading them. Because it seems that netizens are so sure that she had surgery.