They could just be friends you know.
The age gap is 4 years, there is no power imbalance. Also many Girls that age prefer guys 2-4 years older.
This is ridiculous.
yes you are right, this article states that, but first why would a wife meet the other side and discuss it. I am just saying that the only fact is that guy is an idiot.
Just for example, the wife meets A (not sure why she would do that but still) and A says yes it is his child he took all my money, i cannot pay for abortion if he does not find money I’ll have to give a birth. Wife sees his money as theirs and take it personally.
Just example how it could have been said. We simply don’t have enough info and I might be 100% wrong may be A is a con artist and there is not even a child she is extorting the money.
This article is putting emphasis on other women instead of the actual perpetrator- the guy! He had parallel relationships, made one pregnant, is being sued by multiple parties and blackmails wife to pay off his debts and fines in order to divorce him. That is where the problem is - the guy!
I’m just saying from how the situation stated here, both wronged that women. Of course the guy is the bigger culprit here. But we don’t know what A is suing him for or if she is even really going to sue him and just told the women so to not look suspicious. I mean at the end of the day we know better if we get more details.
hm i read it differently, it is two wronged women and one horrible man. This article is not giving any info about the other women or whole situation it is tripped out of context. We inly know that other side wants to sue him (we don’t know what for at all, may be she borrowed him huge amount and he spent all her savings, or he lied to her as well since marriage is only 3 months and their relationship was a year, we simply do not have enough info). The only fact here is that the guy is truly something, the best she can do is run away from him, people like that never change.
Sorry? The other women (celebrity) asked this woman to pay for her abortion, why not ask the guy? Why the women who got cheated on ? And then threatening her that if she don’t, she get the child and will demand child support…. This is a conversation you would have with the men and not his wife. Both of them wronged the women.
Corruption is prevalent in developing and under developed countries even more. South Korea seems to be one of the most corrupt among developed countries.
Actually South Korea belongs to the least corrupt countries according to the Corruption Perception Index
a normal person wouldn't have this same special treatment
A normal person wouldn’t have got charged with taking service from prostitutes, cause Korea has a very open sex industry even though it’s officially illegal, there are open red light districts that can be compared to those in the Netherlands or Germany… they only arrest people of prostitution if they are known and it got media attention to please the publics opinion.
I think one problem here is that people view these things from a western standpoint and also criticize it from that pov. It's cultural problem not a racist one as Korea has no history that is based on racism. In the west its often linked to racism, in Korea their colorism roots from classism. So often they don't understand our issues with it if we complain about it from the point of racism. So i think its also important to know about how they view things and were their social issues are coming from before we try to educate them.
I also don't like how the word educate is often used in such context, it often comes of as us (from the west) thinking we are superior or something.
I doubt it’s black People who are complaining…. I’m black and this is such a non-issue … it’s just an emoji and not used in any derogatory way… how is this racist? Please racism is a serious issue, let’s not turn it into a joke !!!
This is so sad, she was so young…. May her Soul RIP… Her character in Snowdrop was so righteous and brave, a total role model, she won’t be forgotten that easily!!!
If you read korean news, you will know that they stopped being a sponsor of the drama and also stopped playing his commercial in tv, because viewers didn't like to see his face. That's what I mean. Sorry for any mistakes. English is not my native language
Ah ok… cause you said he lost advertisement contract. They just stopped the commercial for the moment. But things are looking good for Snowdrop at the moment so they might start the commercial again.
I'm talking about his Pura chicken commercial.
Yeah, he is still their Model, they didn’t ended their contract with him, they just stopped advertising for the Drama as a sponsor. I think you mixed something up.
Unfortunately, in Korea, public opinion and good reputation are very important.
Jung Hae-in just lost some advertising contracts, because viewers were furious and refused to see his face in the commercials.
That’s not true, he didn’t lost any advertisement contract. He is about to appear in a new variety show as well.
I have indeed watched the drama. Many of the victims who have openly criticized it have said they have watched the drama as well. I'm now waiting for episodes 3 to 5, which I suspect will focus on the love story and ignore all historical and political elements they put in. Just because we may not agree with the interpretation you have taken does not mean that we have not watched the drama. You gave an example of cherry picking, without realizing that you cherry picked our view of the drama and without knowing assigned us as people who have not watched it, just because we did not share your view, as if the very idea of differing opinions means nothing. Here is the problem SOME see in these episodes. You say "The NSA is clearly depicted as the evil ones" of course. Because the evil they are choosing to portray is an evil that is "justifiable". It's like showing a concentration camp with Nazi's killing Jewish people in the most horrific ways, but instead of showing them as innocent victims you show the Jewish prisoners as "spies" "criminals" "direct threats to the government" "trying to impose communism" etc. When they were not, they were normal and innocent Jewish people. You end up portraying the holocaust as a "cause and effect" in place for a supposed wrongdoing, when it was not, it was genocide. You are still portraying the Nazi's as heartless but you are painting those murdered as criminals. The NSA in the drama are after NK spies and communist, meaning they are portraying their mission as justifiable as it is more or less what the current NSA does now. The problem is that in reality the NSA were never going after NK spies, they were going after SK (mostly students) and claiming them to be so. That's why SOME people think this drama is inappropriate. The notion that the NSA at the time were torturing and killing NK spies is false, they always knew they were killing SK people. So no, is not that we think they are portraying them as rainbows and sunshine, nope it's not that. It's that they are portraying what they did wrong. Many regime supporters, ultra right wing politicians and people who worked and benefited directly from the regime are still in complete denial that under their office of government the NSA committed these crimes, the victims have never received any apology. Why? Well because these people (criminals) are still in such a denial of history that they claim what Snowdrop is portraying is the truth. "Oh no, the NSA didn't kill innocent SK's, no they were only after NK spies" that's the problem. What Snowdrop is portraying is the lie that the NSA and the regime made up and what some people insist blindly that is the truth. By making the protagonist a NK spy that was posing as a student, that becomes yet another slap in the face as many of those murdered by the NSA were students who were falsely painted as NK spies to the public. The regime and the NSA at the time pushed that notion, that colleges were filled with spies who were trying to take the country down. In reality it was filled with students fighting for democracy. So to portray a NK spy hiding as a student, was bound to receive backlash when it was such a huge part of why the student movement was targeted. It also in terms of the drama makes no sense, since if we assume that a NK spy would be in SK during the time the last thing they would choose is to pose as a student when they were the most watched and controlled by the regime, but that's more fictional preference. By choosing him to pose as a student, you are once again feeding in to the political propaganda the NSA had made out to kill students to begin with. The drama is also based mostly on the false propaganda created by the NSA and the regime of the supposed NK spy presence in the election of 1987. You see a pattern? NK spies and NK influence is almost the entire basis of this drama, and that is a historical inaccuracy. It was all a guise for the NSA and the regime to silence their opponents who wanted the end of the military oppressive government. Now this plot could have worked better in the future, could have worked better in another context, could have worked better when this was over but sadly this tragedy is still not over. The people responsible and the people who suffered are still alive and they have received no closure, because of the very thing the drama is pushing, the ever present lie that the criminals keep trying to push. The intention behind the drama is no longer what matters, is the fact that once you make a drama that is actively pushing a political agenda that still is present today, you end up making a drama that will be enabling people to keep siding with it, keep denying the truth. So yes, that's the problem with the drama it implies a political agenda that is still alive and being fought against by Koreans, it has become a vehicle to push forward once more the false propaganda, that all the people who died and who were tortured by the NSA were NK spies. That the NSA had to do it to preserve the fairness of the elections. All lies, that still have to be battled against by SK's. So no, just because some don't agree with the show, don't interpret it the way that you might have it does not mean they have not watched it, it simply means they disagree from you. That's something you must accept, because calling victims of this history out for not watching it and claiming that they should wait to see when the plot is already harmful by itself, is not it. Let's kindly agree to disagree, not make delusions of grandeur you cannot assume let alone prove.
According to JBTC, the NSA were sending the NK spies to SK to form their conspiracy. There are no spies among the students and the only spy we saw was send by the NSA themself to fake their story.
I don’t really understand what you mean with the Holocaust I don’t think I mentioned it 🤔.
So people are just reacting to scenes and not following the storyline? Anyway i hope the 5th episode will clear some understandings and looking at the preview I don’t think they follow the love story.
And it’s not that ANSP didn’t searched for spies at all, they just lied about spies being under the protesters.
Thank you very much, though I personally knew so if my comments could be misinterpreted I welcome the corrections necessary so it remains clear. Yes the NSA still exist (under another name) and in part do work with stopping spies, but as you say Koreans are angry about how the NSA is being portrayed in this drama, a time period which I think most Koreans think of firstly when they hear of the NSA. They are portraying them falsely and as a result portraying the victims falsely. Choosing to portray the false propaganda as real is naturally enabling ultra right wing and regime supporters who believe that Snowdrop is what has happened and do not want to apologize for the crimes. I tried to put myself in the shoes of a loved one of someone who was murdered by the NSA during the regime, murdered by being falsely accused as a greater system to silence and oppress the nation, and to then see that this drama is portraying that loved one's and all the other victims as exactly the lie used to rob them away from me... it's so beyond hurtful let alone insensitive. I've been thinking so long on how much I'm flabbergasted that out of all the fictional narratives they could have chosen to present, they chose to use the real lie that killed and oppressed thousands as real? Knowing that the situation is fresh, yet to be apologized for and that what they are portraying is what the criminals incessantly try to push? ... it's just... wow. Again thank you very much, it's very important to remain as clear as possible as I don't want to misinform anyone. Thank you and if you celebrate the holiday Have a very Merry Christmas!
Have you watched the Drama ?
From what you wrote I will assume you didn’t. Just like I want people to be rightly informed, I wish people would also watch the Drama, the reason they haven’t apologized yet and why many (including Koreans) defend it is because a lot has been taken out of context and because of an leaked synopsis People jumped into conclusions. The problem now is that many read the alleged historical distortion and but haven’t watched the Drama, yet are judging it. It’s like when you wrote a story and someone cherry-picking parts out of it to make it look a certain way and than claim you were trying something bad… you will not like it. The sad part here is that those who took scene out of context linked it to real events and this has now add more fuel into the fire and cause relatives of these victims think their story has been falsely depicted. Many of the things the Drama was accused of turned out to be false and I was shocked to read the allegations cause I saw the first episode on its premiere and only a day later I saw the claims and I was wondering if we all saw the same thing. The NSA is clearly depicted as the evil ones, the spy has no connection to the democratic movement and the ruling party are shown to be manipulative. This is a problem because it’s hurting people…to claim that this Drama is a certain way while it’s not isn’t just hurting the production, you are hurting those very people you claim to care about by spreading lies. Tbh I have never seen a situation like this. I’m the first to criticize something like this, but I’ll be honest, I watched the other episodes with trying to side with who made those claims, but what they are claiming was never shown. That’s why I guess JTBC wants to air as many episodes possible to clear the misunderstandings. From what I experienced, if the allegations are true Koreans will be quick to cancel, JTBC isn’t. So maybe we should give the benefit of doubts. Also for those who think their story was falsely depicted, they should get the chance to see that it was not and that they don’t need to worry about distortion of history.
From day one false information were spread and now it caused this chaos, it’s the typical snowball effect. Unfortunately !
And the same too you, I wish you have a nice holiday.
Just like people have the right to point out or criticize someone’s work, the one who owns the work has the right to defend it.
Just because someone is accused of something problematic, doesn’t necessarily mean that the one accused really did something wrong or what they did was really that bad.
Touching a sensitive topic like this will definitely make some people feel uncomfortable or assume the worst. Very often people feel hurt by someone not really because they really did something bad, but what they did triggered negative emotions, so now you did something bad.
I watched all released episodes so far and saw how certain scenes were taking out of context or how some claims were not true at all… I can still see why it would trigger some people anyway.
Here is the thing, I don’t want to invalidate the opinion of those who felt hurt, their feelings are valid and the reasons for it too, but that doesn’t mean that the reason are also rational… we have to remember that these are people who would see something like this and judge it from an emotional pov, they are either very sensitive about this time, went through it themself or have relatives who were victim’s of the ANSP. What I mean with not rational is that they are already biased… certain scenes are not violent enough, or they remind them of a real event so it’s allegedly based on that etc.. and they will accuse the production for intentionally hurting their feelings, even though the problem lies somewhere else . This is natural human reaction, many do that, we are not rational when were emotional and we are also not willing to see things objectively if we feel affected. That’s why we have Koreans who feel hurt and those who understand it’s just fiction and those who don’t care at all… things like this are more nuanced, history is more nuanced.
When it comes to art you should have the right to freely express yourself, just like others have the right to criticize it or support it.
That’s why it’s very important for outsiders to listen to both sides and check what both sides are even referring too before picking sides.
Take police witness testimonies for example… 3 people saw the same thing yet will have different pov’s of how things went down or looked like why ? Because how we interpret things is strongly depending on our mental state, our own prejudice, trauma emotional state. So would you say all different testimonies explaining a situation are wrong? Well all of them will tell their truth … Koreans are not one in their opinion with that matter either so it’s actually hard to say who is right or wrong, the only thing you can do is emphasizing with those hurt, but you can’t to 100% say they are right (especially not if you haven’t watch the Drama yourself) and so can’t you say the production is 100% right either… things are way more nuanced and it’s good that way.
Everyone has the right to defend their work if they think it's been unfairly attacked. People have the right to call out if they think something is insensitive or inappropriate, but those accused also have the right to defend themself from these accusation and i think as outsiders we should listen to both sides. Look at what is the cause of the problem (watching the Drama) and than state our own opinion.
Just because someone said they are hurt by something doesn't mean the one they felt hurt by was intending it. It also doesn't necessarily mean they really did something wrong. Sometimes people feel hurt by someone because what they did or said triggered negative emotions in them and because of that they feel the other person intended to make them feel that way. Thats why it's important to listen to both sides and look into it objectively.
I have watched the Drama so far and i can understand what was triggering some people, but i don't think they are right with everything they claim, some of the things are indeed false. Not trying to invalidate them, but they are looking at this from a biased standpoint and the topic itself is already very sensitive so they are very emotinal about as well so how they see it vs how others see it will differ. Just like with police testimonies, they can ask 3 different people to tell that what they saw, all 3 of them will explain what they saw and based on their emotional state, biasness, they will talk about the same thing from a different pov ... so who is saying the truth ? All of them or none ?
Lets not be biased, rather if its being for the Drama or against it.
The Dictatorship and the NSA together made up a false propaganda that the nation was being infiltrated by NK spies, both in the election and out of it. This as I stated is false, the NSA's job was not to kill or hunt down NK spies/ communists (as the drama shows) it was to torture and kill SK pro democracy supporters, they only made up the NK spy rumor so that they could do so. By choosing to portray the NSA as an institution that fights against communist you are actively forming part of the lie the Dictatorship made up to silence and kill their opponents. It is in this way that drama is being accused of portraying the Dictatorship falsely. Before I am yet again asked why this could potentially be harmful, some people, by this I mean politicians of the right wing and some who worked for the regime, still have not apologized for the crimes they committed and try to push what Snowdrop is portraying as the truth of what happened which it was not. This is why some people believe that this drama in their efforts to create historical fiction, intentionally or unintentionally adopts the political agenda of those criminals. This is very recent history and very sensitive to Koreans since the rich right elite class are still in denial, this is all very hurtful for victims. I think maybe possibly in a long time this could work but now, when so many victims and the nation is actively fighting to obliterate this false notion, it seems out of place and harmful to make a drama that actively portrays the lie the nation wants once and for all to stop regime supporters to believe. I hope that the drama distance themselves more and more from this and focus on the relationship between the characters.
The ANSP was like the German Stasi, national intelligence turning corrupt. The duties of the of a Natinal Intelligence is to supervise and coordinate both international and domestic intelligence activities and criminal investigation by all government intelligence agencies, including that of the military.
Anyway the ANSP still exist, they were first called Korea Central Intelligence Agency and after the military regime took over, they renamed it Agency for National Security Planing (ANSP), after the Democracy movement it was renamed again to National Intelligence Service (NIS) as how it's called today. The ANSP was not created to torture and kill pro democracy supportes, they just ended up doing so because the ruling party felt they are loosing power.
Even though it was part of their job to hunt spies, there weren't many NK spies in Korea. Anyway since the military regime felt threatned by the democracy movent and feared to that they will loose power, the ANSP and the ruling party worked together, in other words their national intelligence started to abuse their power and instead of doing their job to protect the country, they used their authority to hunt and oppress protesters by claiming they were spies, thats why many people even belived them and would even help them to gather information. But there were never spies among the protesters and a real spy would never joint a group of people that are highly observed by the goverment in the first place. Also not every ANSP agent was aware of the lies only the higher ups, many just followed orders thinking they are really chasing spies.
Hunting spies was one of their jobs, this is not what some Koreans are concerned about. They were concerned that the Drama would depict a NK spy being linked to the democratic movement, which was a lie spread by the ANSP to arrest protesters.
I think its very important that both the ones defending the drama and the ones against it to be well informed before debating about it.
Yep dude is definitely sexy bruh...Since "Matrimonial chaos" i got my eyes locked on him.I remember that at first i mistaked him as Kim Kyung Nam from "Come n Hug me".
Same here… always mistook them
I don’t see how their response was poor, if they didn’t casted her to play such a character… then that’s what they will say. What should they do? Make her look smarter than she is ?
After reading the article on Koreaboo, I suddenly think of that possibility as well. Her, meeting various men, is such a question on the pregnancy for me.
I mean she was ready to abort the baby to stay with him…. The baby wasn’t a priority that’s one for sure.
I think the classmates of Kim seon ho testimonies has nothing to do with the accusations of his girlfriend. In my own opinion, the woman should not be blamed for what she did. Women should always be respected no matter what, I think ONLY KIM SEON HO AND THE GIRL knows who is really telling the truth, we are all saying our opinion BASED ON THE FACTS given to us, But if you will just think it over, NOBODY AMONG US REALLY KNEW WHAT HAPPENED. Please don't blame the girl and also, I believe firmly that women will not talk about sensitive matters like this if it is not true..for Kim seon ho, his words that he was careless means he admitted that he has done something wrong and I admire him to accept his shortcomings and to stand up again, and to show the world he is just human and human commits mistake...NOBODY IS PERFECT
What makes you think women will not talk about sensitive matters if it’s not true ? I’m a women and being honest or not has nothing to do with the gender!
There are people who get engage but still break up, couples who get married and get divorced, gf and bf who promise each other they will be together forever but end up not doing it. Relationships fail sometimes and promises are broken. That’s part of life, some relationships just don’t last and people fall out of love. It just wasn’t meant to be. Heck his ex married a guy and divorced him after 17days.
This… many don’t consider this. He could have meant it when he said it, she is the one claiming he lied about it because he didn’t stick to the promise. But breaking a promise doesn’t mean the person wasn’t sincere at the time they made it. Also her story is very one sided, but as far as we know she might not be a saint either and minimizes her role in this story.
Why did I saw this coming… both cleared the air fast just for third person to step in….
I don’t get the part with she was weak because she was young ? Especially if you are young you are the strongest to get a baby? Like how young was she? Or is it a translation mistake?
I love him
YES PLEASE!!!
I was hoping this is an Aprils Fool joke…. But it’s real. What a plot twist