Success and Failure in Jpop

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  1. katahtattat

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    What do factors do you think play into one or both?
     
  2. mkusa

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    Luck, and a strong record company for one. I'm always cheering for the indie artists, but if a group gets hooked up with a big record company, like Universal or Sony, they can be 'made' much more easily. The big companies, have all the image coaches and makeup artists (like Kpop companies) put them out there through connections on TV, concerts, etc. and they get the recognition much faster than bands that struggle without a big name contract. The talent has to be there of course, but it can be coaxed instead of developed naturally.

    Prime Example: Scandal

    That's not to say that the groups are not talented. They certainly are. It's just that the road is better paved for them. Basically, the opportunity is theirs to lose. The down side is that they become puppets.....better go into that with your eyes wide open.

    There are tons of really good indies out there that could compete with the big groups on a level playing field. It's just that the field is not very level.
     
  3. katahtattat

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    actually a lot of groups under major labels started off as indie groups
    this is a quote from the Scandal wiki page

    "SCANDAL is an all-female Japanese rock band from Osaka. Formed in August 2006 by four high school girls, they played live street performances until they were noticed and signed to the indie label Kitty Records. In 2008, they released three singles and a mini-album while performing shows in the United States, France, and Hong Kong. That October, Scandal released their major debut single, "Doll", under Epic Records Japan."
     
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    @katahtattat Always true, and not only just a lot.....but every band is indie for some period of time....gotta put the band together. (unless of course they were trainees from a major co.....like in Kpop)

    Scandal's indie time was extremely short indeed, less than a year. Then they were picked up by Kitty, then Sony, and became overnight stars. They were already under Kitty in the videos folks see of them at Osaka Jo park.They were putting out major albums by a major label less than 2 years after picking up an instrument for the first time. Their 'indie' roots didn't last long. Most folks struggle for years before getting noticed, if at all.

    I love Scandal, have all their albums....but they were basically 'made' by Sony.

    https://vimeo.com/channels/314150/80127917
     
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    first I think youre confusing being indie with being unsigned Kitty is an indie label.

    Second.
    "They were putting out major albums by a major label less than 2 years after picking up an instrument for the first time."
    if this was even remotely true, WOW! talk about gifted, but...
    I am pretty sure the girls had been playing instruments long before they even met.

    https://vimeo.com/channels/314150/80524912

    Major labels sign groups from indie labels because the group has an established audience, and they see the potential to expand that audience.
     
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    Well that'll do it for me. Have fun with your show.

    Out.
     
    #6 mkusa, Mar 12, 2016
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