[Rant] She Sure As Hell Ain't Useless

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  1. emanresu

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    This Is A Rant Thread. Welcome.

    Hi all. This is my Triggered Thread to fulfill my 1 rant every 6 months quota.


    BEGIN RANT

    Many discount personal charm and visuals as some kind of secondary thing of little to no value for kpop groups.

    Bullshit.

    Not to take away from amazing talent in vocals, dance, etc. but to be honest... there are hundreds, thousands, millions of extraordinarily talented individuals who never see the light of day and never become successful or get recognized.

    You know why?

    People gotta like you.

    So you got a great voice. Great kid. You're one of thousands of other okay or great vocalists. Join the club. Unless you're some kind of singular vocalist that is just so above and beyond everyone in your category and you're literally a superstar, all that vocal talent doesn't help you or your group if no one pays attention to you.

    It's one of the fundamental ideas behind marketing.

    You can have the best product in the world (talent) but if you can't market it well (visuals/personality/charm) your product may as well not exist. NO ONE CARES.

    Enter the likes of someone like Sana (or Tzuyu).

    Sana and Tzuyu have arguably contributed more to TWICE's success than perhaps any other idol in the group.

    Yes all the other girls contribute. And their contributions are absolutely crucial. (You gotta have a product to sell after all.) But so is the contribution from Sana and Tzuyu. Tzuyu and Sana propelled them into the stratosphere. Sana is so damn likeable she gets everyone on board. Hell she becomes memes that keep TWICE in the public eye. Tzuyu's visuals/charm too help bring people to the table.

    My point is that this whole.. oh visuals/charm are useless yada yada... it's utter bullshit and reveals a fundamental lack of understanding of how the act of selling something works in practice.

    You can't claim marketing is useless, so why would you think you could claim visuals and personality are useless.

    And another thing, my saying visuals/charm are important isn't taking away from talent. As I said above, you have to have a product to sell.


    Okay class let's recap:


    Product = Talent ------> Gotta Have It
    Marketing = Personality/Visuals -----> Gotta Have it.


    You gotta have BOTH.


    END RANT

    :):):)





    EDIT:

    I actually love Tzuyu's voice and think she's really talented.

    And I also like Sana's voice.

    My point is that their "visuals and charm" are also very important to the group.


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    Every 6 months?! Bro that's a long time to wait to rant...
     
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    why didn't you spell hell normally it's not a swear word :confused:
     
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    Imo I think Tzuyu is actually one of the most talented members on Twice. She is one of the most stable in MR removed and her dancing is better than average too. People tend to look down on anyone who's pretty because they always assume that that is all the person has.
     
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    right i was confused at first lol
     
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    emanresu Tzuyu Fanboy

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    I don't know. I didn't even realize I censored it. Lol. I changed it.
     
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    I think so too.

    But as you said, people tend to lump all the visuals together as "talentless pretty faces".
     
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    this is gon sound rude but
    this should be obvious ...
    if people think that idols just need talents to succeed, then they haven't known the kpop industry for long
     
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    Well basically agencies are taking advantage of the fact that people have forgotten that Kpop first and foremost is a music industry. I definitely do not think visuals are useless at all.
    Idk I think Visuals are like the cover of a book.:whatr:
    At the end of the day a good cover does not make a good book. But it sure helps in marketing. But that also doesn't mean a book cannot have both a good cover and a good story.
    It all comes down to the final product.
     
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    THANK YOU!!! Please people read what he/she said. I keep on saying that being an idol is a package and not just a singer ( if it was just a singer then why need the dance and visuals etc) but no one hears. I hate it that they keep bashing Twice while they have the whole package AND talented members.

    As someone said Tzuyu is actually one of the most talented in Twice and she keeps on improving every single comeback, as all of them. I wish that they'd stop all that hate but of course it's impossible
     
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    I agree with you
    But the problem with twice is that most of the members you can say that they are for visual and personality
    It's not only sana .. it's half of them at least ..
    and Tzuyu vocals are really promising.. she need to practice more ..
     
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    I think that if you're going to do music, then you should have talent there. Anyone can have a good face and go viral, not everyone is a talented singer (there is a difference betwen just being able to sing and having a talent, and no, Tzuyu and Sana don't have this talent) or rapper, or dancer. And that's just the truth, no matter how much we love an idol doesn't mean they have talent. Besides they're not the one doing the marketing, they're the puppets, which is why I won't count this as a talent because they do as they're told and that's it. As much as I love people like Tzuyu and Sana, they are useless, because anyone could've done it with JYP behind their backs.
     
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    The groups that I like don't have amazing talents but they're charming, make great music and are all-rounded talents. The groups that I like are also the ones getting dragged for not being talented enough for people's expectations.

    A lot of the groups praised for being sooooooo talented i find mediocre and bland, that's just my opinion though, I don't pay attention to "vocal technique" or who is the most skilled at dancing, I look at what is put on the plate and if i think its good, it's good.
     
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    I agree with this but with a few exceptions
     
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    You don't have to count what they do as talent. That's not what I was claiming.

    My post is claiming that you can't say they are useless or that their visuals and charm are useless.

    Even if you see them as puppets, they are "useful" puppets. (I don't see them this way, but to each his or her own.)

    Useless means not having or contributing value. If Sana's and Tzuyu's visuals and charm are helping the group get recognized, etc. that's actively contributing "value" to the group and is thus the exact opposite of "useless", per the actual definition of the word.

    Their visuals and charm are like product packaging. From a business standpoint (and this is the music business) this is not useless.

    And yes, they have a team behind them, but so does every product package. It's got the designers, artists, managers, consultants, etc. Doesn't mean the packaging is useless.

    Even if you think anyone could have stood in their place and done the same thing, it doesn't really matter. Whether or not someone could have come in and done it, doesn't change the fact that they are there and are doing it. Just because you can hire someone else to mow your lawn, doesn't mean the mower you actually do hire is useless. He's mowing your lawn. That's valuable.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    tzuyu's vocals are really stable and you can tell she's improved, she's up there at the top when it comes to stability in twice
     
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    emanresu Tzuyu Fanboy

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    Chikkin why do I agree with so many things you say?

    Lol.
     
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    emanresu Tzuyu Fanboy

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    I agree.

    My post focused on her visuals/charm because that's what people always discount.
     
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    do people really discredit those parts though? i see more people crediting them for those attributes over any others
     
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    preach!
    idols are different from just singing and dancing in stage, they are being monitored by the public wherever they are so visuals, personality and charm for me is just as important with talent in dancing and singing heck those 2 are called skills not talent, that can be furnish hard to gain but charm and personality are more innate to a person so they are more special in kpop imo.
     
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