On any kpop related site one of the most frequent things I see is hardcore 2nd gen stans explaining why every group in the new gen is trash and all their fans only stan them cuz they're stupid and unaware of the 'endless talents' of the 2nd gen. Imo 2nd gen stans have every right to be defensive because new kpop fans can be very ignorant and rude to the 2nd generation of groups who essentially made kpop popular and do have some truly talented people and good music. However the way some of them treat other fans is unacceptable and rude and it diminishes the achievments and influence of the 2nd generation as many fans (like myself )can't take them seriously. Especially because they are unwilling to acknowledge the many talents present in the new generation of groups. For example; taeyeons singing talent , she's very talented but SOME 2nd gen stans act as if no one else can sing because she exists. At the time she debuted there's no doubt that she was probably the best female singer but now with the expansion of kpop there are people who are equally as good if not better (I'm not trying to pick on her that's just one I see often). So do you think they are too arrogant? If so give examples of times they showed it.