Personally I like both.. but if I had to choose I'd say without bc I do love the all natural look a lot.
the ones that are saying without make up haha- you are fooling yourself... just because it is a very natural make up and you can´t notice it, it doesn´t mean it isn´t there.... i just saw one that the lipstick in the guy was so ovbious that, men, his lips were coral pink. He is wearing make up, dah!!!
I don't like makeup on male idols, the more natural the better unless it fits the concept. Sometimes they look more caked than female idols and that's a big no for me.