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Can sales really measure the successful of one song?

Discussion in 'K-POP' started by Guinhggf, Jun 23, 2018.

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  1. Guinhggf

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    I mean, is DL/stream/bgm/UL important to determine that song is successful or not? Because some songs don't have those things, but still a hit song.
     
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    If you can find a hit song without sales show me too
     
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    I mean BlackPink had pretty bad physical sales before SQUARE UP came out depsite being like the most streamed GG ever.
     
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    65k for no new content and that album being overpriced is actually okay lol

    and.... it's Japanese.
     
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    Ummm this is their first ever Korean album! Thy had Japanese repackaged ones. This is their Korean album. In four days they have sold 87k. They beat red velvet and are in number 2 for the most sales in one week among the girlgroups.
     
  6. chawan_BLINK

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    Lol what physical?? Its their first mini album
    They had jp album over 75k+++ sales
    And their digital was amazing
    PWF +2M
    Aiiyl +++1M
    Whistle ++++1M
    ( idk the exact digi sales but i can say they t mote than 1.5M )

    Blackpink was always doin good
     
  7. L_catzzz

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    Yes and no. Sales i.e. downloads, streams, bgm, ULs is just one part of the impact/exposure of the song but it does not represent solely the successfulness of the song. There's radio play, over exposure of covers, tv shows, karaoke chart and etc.
    Crayon Pop-Bar Bar Bar
    In terms of sales and everything else, they were much2 lower than a lot of the other songs, but it's definitely one of the hit song for 2013. It is Top 3 songs based on Gallup Korea survey in 2013 after Cho Yong Pil-Bounce and PSY-Gentlemen. It is everywhere. One of the most sang song in Karaoke for 2013 for 12 weeks straight in Top10 and 7 weeks straight at no.1.

    Gaon Chart National Digital Singles Ranking
    Rank Artist & Title Gaon Count
    1 Psy - Gentleman 241,561,865
    2 Baechigi ft. Ailee - Shower of Tears 214,989,454
    3 SISTAR19 - Gone Not Around Any Longer 210,610,064
    4 Roy Kim - Bom Bom Bom 209,513,707
    5 Leessang - Tears 204,199,418
    6 4minute - What's Your Name? 199,657,346
    7 Huh Gak - Monodrama 196,088,511
    8 Davichi - Turtle 190,020,576
    9 SISTAR - Give It To Me 169,597,316
    10 Davichi ft. Verbal Jint - Be Warmed 162,985,325
    11 K.Will - Love Blossom 161,195,204
    12 Akdong Musician - Crescendo 160,993,728
    13 Girls' Generation - I Got A Boy 157,723,788
    14 Busker Busker - Cherry Blossom Ending 149,686,735
    15 Akdong Musician - I Love You 147,325,793
    16 LYn ft. Baechigi - Tonight 146,010,019
    17 Lee Seung Chul - My Love 145,769,489
    18 The One - Winter Love 142,128,972
    19 CNBLUE - I'm Sorry 140,361,768
    20 Cho Yong Pil - Bounce 140,244,507
    21 Lee Hi - Rose 138,354,781
    22 Girl's Day - Expectation 138,113,072
    23 Gummy - Snowflake 135,962,385
    24 Huh Gak & Eunji - Short Hair 129,895,492
    25 4men - Propose Song 125,109,645
    26 4men - It's Me 122,900,822
    27 Geeks - How Are You? 122,752,192
    28 Jung Hyung Don - Ganbuk Gentleman 122,100,137
    29 Bumkey ft. E-Sens - Bad Girl 121,779,352
    30 SECRET - YooHoo 121,705,617
    31 Akdong Musician - Foreigner's Confession 117,668,785
    32 Vibe - One Last Time 117,308,496
    33 A Pink - No No No 116,506,553
    34 Geeks - Officially Missing You, Too 116,239,999
    35 Taeyeon - And One 116,085,191
    36 Lee Hyori - Miss Korea 114,187,498
    37 Kim Ye Rim (Lim Kim) - All Right 112,434,284
    38 Primary ft. Dynamic Duo - Johnny 111,824,168
    39 Huh Gak - 1440 110,738,635
    40 Primary ft. Zion T - ? 109,939,754
    41 Baek Ji Young - Hate 109,709,094
    42 Geeks ft. Ailee - Wash Away 108,495,895
    43 SHINee - Dream Girl 108,148,262
    44 Busker Busker - Love, At First 106,287,636
    45 Kim Bo Kyung - Don't Think You're Alone 105,423,333
    46 2AM - One Spring Day 105,090,936
    47 Yoon Mi Rae - Touch Love 104,509,903
    48 Carly Rae Jepsen - Call Me Maybe 103,125,093
    49 Dynamic Duo ft. Muzie - Baaam 102,855,286
    50 Lee Hyori - Bad Girls 102,349,122
    51 Ailee - U & I 102,319,691
    52 Davichi - Missing You Today 101,203,674
    53 Crayon Pop - Bar Bar Bar 100,944,302

    TOP DOWNLOADS FOR 2013
    Rank Artist & Title Downloads
    1 Baechigi ft. Ailee - Shower of Tears 1,880,676
    2 Leessang - Tears 1,806,317
    3 SISTAR19 - Gone Not Around Any Longer 1,723,704
    4 Huh Gak - Monodrama 1,645,880
    5 Psy - Gentleman 1,604,778
    6 Roy Kim - Bom Bom Bom 1,490,031
    7 SISTAR - Give It To Me 1,486,661
    8 4minute - What's Your Name? 1,477,832
    9 Davichi - Turtle 1,439,190
    10 Lee Seung Chul - My Love 1,393,066
    11 Girls' Generation - I Got A Boy 1,354,672
    12 Busker Busker - Love, At First 1,344,882
    13 A Pink - NoNoNo 1,329,864
    14 Davichi ft. Verbal Jint - Be Warmed 1,316,544
    15 Yoon Mi Rae - Touch Love 1,299,537
    16 Akdong Musician - Crescendo 1,272,290
    17 Ailee - U & I 1,244,748
    18 K.Will - Love Blossom 1,237,017
    19 CNBLUE - I'm Sorry 1,223,055
    20 Huh Gak & Eunji 1,207,766
    21 The One - Winter Love 1,197,306
    22 Busker Busker - Cherry Blossom Ending 1,191,223
    23 Bumkey ft. E-Sens - Bad Girl 1,184,703
    24 EXO - Growl 1,180,332
    25 Dynamic Duo ft. Muzie - Baaam 1,170,657
    26 Primary ft. Dynamic Duo - Johnny 1,165,050
    27 Crayon Pop - Bar Bar Bar 1,162,646

    TOP STREAMS FOR 2013
    Rank Artist & Title Streams
    1 A Pink - No No No 41,250,797
    2 EXO - Growl 40,643,652
    3 SISTAR - Give It To Me 40,011,988
    4 Lee Seung Chul - My Love 39,468,556
    5 Leessang - Tears 39,331,864
    6 Primary ft. Dynamic Duo - Johnny 38,944,711
    7 4minute - What's Your Name? 38,932,815
    8 Baechigi ft. Ailee - Shower of Tears 38,914,752
    9 Huh Gak - Monodrama 37,717,108
    10 Yoon Mi Rae - Touch Love 37,490,827
    11 SISTAR19 - Gone Not Around Any Longer 37,190,626
    12 Bumkey ft. E-Sens - Bad Girl 36,685,598
    13 Crayon Pop - Bar Bar Bar 36,656,272

    And they weren't even in Top 50 for Physical Sales (Note: the 50th place only had 30k sales)

    2013 Melon Yearly Chart:
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    Johnny (ft. Dynamic Duo) - Primary
    2. Tears (ft. Yoojin of The Seeya) - Leessang
    3. NoNoNo - Apink
    4. Shower of Tears (ft. Ailee) - Baechigi
    5. ? (ft. Choiza of Dynamic Duo, Zion.T) - Primary
    6. Give It To Me - Sistar
    7. What's Your Name? - 4Minute
    8. Monodrama - Heo Gak
    9. My Love - Lee Seung Chul
    10. Gone Not Around Any Longer - Sistar19
    11. Bad Girl (ft. E-Sens of Supreme Team) - Bumkey
    12. Growl - EXO
    13. Turtle - Davichi
    14. Gentleman - Psy
    15. Officially Missing You Too - Geeks and Soyou
    16. Bom Bom Bom - Roy Kim
    17. Touch Love - T Yoon Mirae
    18. Story of Someone I Know - San E
    19. U&I - Ailee
    20. BAAAM (ft. Muzie of UV) - Dynamic Duo
    21. Stupid in Love - Soyou and Mad Clown
    22. Bar Bar Bar - Crayon Pop

    And it was covered by a lot of people, way more than those songs that have more sales.






     
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  8. Dreamer95

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    The fact that Shinee's Dream Girl ranks higher really makes me question everything :D
     
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    Well, Shinee had a decent amount of digitals. In 2015, View is at no. 41 with their downloads at no.78 and streaming at 65.
    But likewise, some of these songs are topping the charts because of the brand rather than the song itself. Shinee already had some amount of stable listeners. In Melon alone they already had 120k fixed listeners. Hence, that's why it's a bit difficult to identify an actual hit song from top groups or groups that already have some sort of brand. I mean even Bigbang songs like "We Like To Party" got no 43 for 2015 Gaon Digital chart. Hence, that's why I said sales isn't the only measure to the successfulness of the song.
     
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  10. Merpedy

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    It feels like buying albums is now a waste of money when you could download or just stream the songs from the numerous music apps available.

    Korea seems to be keeping up the demand by having agencies release everything with photo cards and added content so... ehhh. Even then, it's a question of how many people actually buy the albums rather than stream songs/albums in Korea.
     
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    You're right

    I looking at you Nilo :yesr:
     
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    No. There's so many different factors that go into whether a song will be or is successful.
    A song that might sell really well might not be remembered in a few years while a song that didn't sell well has become iconic.
     
  13. jimeous

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    Nilo proved that Melon Charts are questionable as he couldn't sell out a 1000 seater despite pwning TWICE on the Charts
     

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