Can Cute Groups/Idols Have "Stage Presence"?

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Can Cute Groups/Idols Have "Stage Presence"?

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  1. emanresu

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    Can Cute Groups/Idols Have "Stage Presence"?

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    Full Disclosure:


    So this thread was prompted by the discussion and/or arguments that arose in this thread:

    https://www.allkpop.com/forum/threads/blackpink-doesnt-have-stage-presence.129883/



    So first.... a definition.

    stage pres·ence
    noun
    1. the ability to command the attention of a theater audience by the impressiveness of one's manner or appearance.


    So then...

    Can one be cute or adorable and still have stage presence?

    Does one have to be aggressive or have attitude to be deemed to possess stage presence?






    My View:


    Yes, cute groups/idols can have stage presence.

    I think arguments that exclude cute groups or idols from being able to evoke stage presence are entirely biased and distort the definition through their own lense.

    Nowhere in that definition is there any sort of requirement that one be any particular way, whether it be cute or aggressive or sexy or weird or what have you. The requirement is that you command attention through your behavior and charm.

    Which means, any individual, any group, no matter their concept or look or demeanor, has the potential to exert stage presence.

    I think people who exclude cute from their "presence" calculations are making the mistake of personalizing a definition. They may not be "wowed" by cute. They see strong, powerful stage performances as the only avenue through which a performer can embody "presence". So for them, there's nothing impressive about cute groups like TWICE, etc. To them, these groups have no stage presence.


    An example of cute stage presence.

    Sana.

    I think out of TWICE Sana has some of the best stage presence of all the members.

    She draws your attention immediately. She commands attention through her bright charm and "center of attention" personality. Her expressions are some of the best in TWICE. Your eye is immediately drawn to her and her performance throughout.

    In my opinion she has stage presence in spades.






    NOTICE:

    KEEP THE DISCUSSION CIVIL! Respect each others opinions! I don't want this thread degenerating into a bashing session.


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    yes no shit anyone can have stage presence
     
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    Yes of course.

    Have you seen my babe Minah acting cute on stage? Or Baekhyun?

    Like come on...so much presence
     
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    Of freaking course. The best example (for me) is G-Friend. Their stage presence is breathtaking c:
     
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    Yes, look at groups like Apink.

    They're 'softer' in terms of concept but they completely own their concept and showcase their charms perfectly.
     
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    Yep. TWICE is proof enough of that. They literally got popular because of their stage presence.
     
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    Hmm I don't think GFriend has cutesy dances though :whatr:
     
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    I would say I can feel their presence better than some try hard groups like 2ne1 that make ma wanna sink into a hole at the time I'm watching them. I don't think gfriend is counted as a sugary girl group but a fresh and somehow cute one ,their winks and heart shapes during me gustas tu stages were iconic and the hours vault move was so adorable awwwwwwwww. <3
    Also sana's shy shy shy explains why it went viral,no try hard girl groups could get a viral song part ;)
     
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    No no only sweggy hep hap “feminist” groups :eek:

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    Lol that aside, of course. Twice & Gfriend are great examples of this (though Twice is closer to fun while Gfriend is closer to innocent, but still)
     
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    I don't think having attitude or being aggressive has anything to do with stage presence, Mamamoo aren't really either but undeniably have great stage presence.

    As for if a cute/adorable group can then yeah, I think part of what goes into it is being confident on stage though which takes time to grow into and can also mean it can be lost when you are doing a new performance and focusing more on the choreography and your lines.
     
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    Well actually multiple of "harder" girl groups have gotten viral songs and viral dance moves from their songs. For example Brown Eyed Girls Abracadabra move that was even reused by PSY in Gentleman.

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    Like I don't disagree with the other points, but both more cute and more hard concepts have gotten viral time to time.
     
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    By your definition, every girl group idol has stage presence, cause they are all good looking enough to get your attention.
     
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    stage presence really has nothing to do with a concept so yeah!
    hating cute/elegant girl groups because they are too feminine is the mosst anti-feminist thing ever and baffles me lol
     
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    That is not what’s OP is saying. They’re saying the visual actions & presence is what attracts people

    Being simply pretty won’t do much. Being able to capitalize on it is a gift in the idol industry for both female & male idols
     
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    I know, I am giving neutral answer, and also, different people have different view about what stage presence means...
    So, I quoted his definition and gave a neutral answer.

    Anyway, cute ggs can also have stage presence.
     
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    For what it's worth it's actually Google's definition. Not mine.

    But you're right, the definition is perhaps too broad.

    I think the key is that it commands your attention above and beyond the baseline.

    Since almost everyone in kpop is visually attractive, I don't think that in of itself is "stage presence".

    I think you have to have a combination of manner and appearance.
     
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    For me, the act has to display a sense of comfort (as if the stage is their stomping ground, they own it and they've invited us for a glimpse into their world); strong musicality as singers or whatever instrument they're playing because that's why I'm there in the first place, and a feeling that they genuinely love what they're doing (whether this is expressing pure joy or glee or just transmitting the passion for their music, for the moment, for the audience) etc. This takes a lot of effort but the best acts make it all appear effortless. And it takes time to develop.

    What concept one has is irrelevant. If you're hopping around onstage looking like a deer trapped in headlights or just bored as hell; or if you're lurching about looking confused or distant or clearly counting the beats to whatever choreography you're doing; if you're unable to carry a note or at least be into it enough to make me forget about that stuff; if you're unable to create a believable fantasy for the audience - if even for a moment - then you lack presence. And it doesn't need bells and whistles (like a complex set or whatever), some of the greatest artists simply stood on an empty stage with a mic stand and a stool, and did their thing.

    Again, this is just for me, everyone has different ways they evaluate what presence is.
     
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    I guess stage presence is big vague, but I'd say that it's mix of performance skills and charisma that makes you simply stand out from the crowd and makes viewers to be unable to take their eyes out of you. So I don't think it's limited to concept at all.
     
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    SNSD had stage presence no matter the song or concept. Although the whole term is so vague and like most in kpop just used to bash non favs.
    The best example i have is the very first time i saw gfriend anywhere was on a music show that i was kinda watching to see SNSD later.(i am sure i was watching tv and playing a computer game at the same time.)
    They exploded off the screen like none of the other nameless faceless masses of kpop nugus have done. I had to know who they were.
     
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    Absolutely, sana is a pretty good example that you posted. Jihyo is another one in twice, she always smiles and really gives off great energy and presence even with cute gestures/moves.
     
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