So as an old Carat, I decided to share my wisdom. This idea is given to by @Jen_Chae_Li_Soo and @Hellotreasure ^^ Thank you! The ones who have read this, please don't let this flop, I worked hard on it! You probably don't read all of it, but at least read the predebut part, thank you^^ Who are Seventeen? Seventeen is an idol group formed under Pledis entertainment, debuted at 2015. Now counted as one of the most influencing groups at Korea. Their Music: All of their songs started to get written when Woozi hit the 3 year trainee mark. So the songs we are currently listening from their albums are all written before the trend got set. They just compose some parts again and use them. That's why Seventeen, despite being a self-producing idol group, can give out 2 comebacks a year. Members: Pledis didn't had a budget but they didn't want their talented trainees to go, so they always told them small lies, false hopes to make them stay in first place. For example, they first scheduled Scoups to a group called Tempest, along with Woozi. But group didn't worked out. Then scheduled only Scoups to Nu'est, but they found him too young back then. After the 6 year trainee period, Scoups managed to debut. Woozi trained for 5 years, he was also gotten trained as producer. (He said he wanted to be a producer because of the free app he saw on Wonwoo's MAC lol, that sucky bandmate app was what formed Seventeen) Almost all members are street casted, basically chosen because of their visual. The members that got auditioned before choosing: Woozi Wonwoo DK Other members were street-casted mostly when they were performing something or showing talent. Hoshi was on dancing competition, Joshua was playing guitar at a festival before they hired him, Seungkwan who was auditioned with his singing video his teacher uploaded to the internet. Then there are member who joined because of luck, Mingyu, entered Seventeen by singing the national anthem at the audition, Jeonghan cast because they saw him at subway station, Jun was at a market in China when he got cast... It was basically pure gamble on Pledis's side to form this group. Predebut: Pledis would give them missions to prove themselves. They really lived through hard times to debut, they tried to collect 50 stranger to prove they can capture people by company's request, most of the people didnt show up at all. Since Pledis was cheap back then, they had horrible staff who would make fun of them or their accent. They started to lose members, only making their debut go later. They had some last minute additions to group, like The8 and Jeonghan. Vernon, who was trying to show the group, joined Show Me The Money to at least make Seventeen more visible. He is introvert and homeschooled, the child that was fine and laughing during all 17 lives, changed a lot after whole nation made fun of his efforts to show his group. He still doesn't talk as much as the predebut. A lot of people said he is just an idiot visual, that's why Pledis had to change visual to Mingyu, because he had relatively better reputation than Vernon after the competition. All of them had a reason to join and try to be an idol, all of their families were in financial problems. I only know that Hoshi became idol to pay his father's debts, rest didn't reveal anything. So please, please, even if you don't stan them, love them because they deserve it too much. That's why don't fatshame any idol, don't make fun of their face, don't belittle their talent, don't see them as the "just background member". Seventeen, or any other idol doesn't deserve this. Thank you for reading^^ Spoiler: Due to request, our Diamond Maknae, Dino! He was auditioned when he was really young. Both his mom and father is dancers and have a dance studio. He was dancing before he learned how to walk. He started training at really young age, he never properly went to school.