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Posted by HonestlyLOL454 pts Sunday, May 31, 2020

Suga under critcism for Agust D track "What do you think?"

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A lot of Kpop fans were eagerly anticipating Agust D's comeback to the music scene and were pleasantly surprised with a full album release and an MV from one of BTS' best rappers, Suga, on May 22 2020. Unfortunately, one song on the album did not sit well with listeners, especially International fans.

"What do you Think" is the 3rd track on D-2 and hits close to home for some due to a sampling of sermonsthe artist used. A common practice in rap is to sample a person who you either disagree or agree with and play off that, especially if that sample is connected to the song/genre or your community, creating a conversational feel or debate or maybe just a "wow" moment. This technique was used in Kendrick Lamar's "To Pimp a Butterfly" concerning his sample of FOX News in Blood and DNA. Kendrick also takes a jab at Geraldo Rivera + FOX in "Yah" rapping "Fox News wanna use my name for percentage/My latest news is my niece, she’s worth livin'/See me on the TV and scream, “That’s Uncle Kendrick”/Yeah, that’s the business/Somebody tell Geraldo this nigga got some ambition."

So it is not uncommon to sample someone you are calling out but with "What do you Think" it doesn't feel the same and the person Yoongi sampled is Jim Jones.

A lot of non-American people may not know who Jim Jones is but he is taught in schools in America and it is very ingrained in our psyche as not a good thing. Jim Jones was a reported racist, confirmed mass murderer and psychopath in America in the 70s. As you are aware, the 60s and 70s were very much still a segregated time in America. He developed a cult of people who had no where else to go, no hope, no other organization and he preyed on these people wanting love and acceptance and community. He opened a church with the intention of creating a safe space for, specifically Black people, all ethnicities citing disappointment in white congregations. He even adopted many non-white children so he could have a "rainbow family." People in America saw how twisted this guy was and how he was mostly hiding under false pretenses so he convinced his whole congregation to leave America in search of a "sanctuary" away from media scrutiny. And so birthed Jonestown.


Jonestown was a sanctuary/commune located in Georgetown, Guyana, a very diverse country with most of the population being Black and Indian. Jim Jones had his congregation move to Guyana to start their new life serving Jones to reach this utopia, he even had babies with members' wives as a way to keep them from "defecting" and used many techniques to keep people hostage. On November of 1978, Congressman Leo Ryan, an NBC Crew and others embarked to Guyana to investigate Jim Jones and Jonestown on human rights violations. As they were there, members were asking to leave with them, to go back to America. While trying to escape with 15 members Jim Jones ordered the execution of everyone on the airstrip including Congressman Leo Ryan and attempted to keep all people on Guyana, so that America wouldn't know the evils he was committing against these people. Although Jones killed Ryan and four other people, the rest of the crew and some defectors were able to leave Guyana.

After that escape and knowing that America would know of his actions in Guyana, as well as him killing a Congressman, Jones, on the same day of Ryans murder, made his whole congregation, 909 people (children, women, men, elderly) kill themselves. The children were first, helped by their parents, then all families laid down next to each other and drank a cyanide-laced kool aid drink mixed with sedative creating the greatest single loss of civilian American life (until 9/11). The highest death count: Black Women. He left his dying with this "Stop these hysterics. This is not the way for people who are socialists or communists to die. No way for us to die. We must die with some dignity." "Don't be afraid to die," death is "just stepping over into another plane...We didn't commit suicide; we committed an act of revolutionary suicide protesting the conditions of an inhumane world."

That is who Jim Jones was and that is who was sampled on Agust D's "What do you Think," you would assume he uses the sample to diss Jones or to talk about the issues that Jones made or the suicides but that is not the case. The song is about his exuberant wealth, his hard work, his "I don't care" mentality and those in the game that are less than him. It has nothing to do with minorities being swindled into a false sense of security and then murdered, nothing to do with racism, nothing to do with Jim Jones being "anti-korean"


The samples from Jones' sermons are this "though you are dead, yet you shall live, and he hath that liveth and believeth shall never die" and "faithful workers coming in night after night, giving me their heart, giving me the spirit of socialism" and Agust D's lyrics are:

[Intro]
… though you are dead, yet you shall live, and he that liveth and believeth shall never die...
... faithful workers coming in night after night, giving me their heart, giving me the spirit of socialism....


[Chorus]
What do you think? What do you think?
What do you think? What do you think?
What do you think? What do you think?

No matter what you think, I’m sorry, but shit, I have no fucking interest

[Verse 1]
Sorry, I have no fucking interest in your meddling life
Or the fact that you can’t escape the manure bucket after being ruined
Crazy that you’d think that my success has a connection to your failure
Your delusions are first-rate, fuck you
Your senses of humor are so so; the fact that you’re fucked is your fault, no-no?
The ******** who’re listening to this song are so freaking pissed they faint
Without reversing, I’m zooming straight forward once again, I’m global, so fly huh
I have no need to do it. Flexing but I’m on a chartered plane. So fly huh
Consume it all, each and everything of ours that we’ve been doing all this time
For I’m not concerned by stray grains of rice that’ve stuck
Just like they’ve fallen off of their own accord, the whole lot of them. Go fuck yourself, huh

[Chorus]
What do you think? What do you think?
Number one on Billboard. What do you think?
Next a Grammy. What do you think?

However you think, I’m sorry, but shit, I have no fucking interest
What do you think? What do you think?
What do you think? What do you think?
What do you think? What do you think?
What do you think? What do you think?
What do you think? What do you think?
What do you think? What do you think?

No matter what you think, I’m sorry, but shit, I have no fucking interest


 

There is no connection to Jim Jones. Some may say that Jim Jones' obsession with North Korea and how it functions is a link to an anti-korean mentality and hence Yoongi is speaking on this but that is a weak link. Being obsessed with North Korea, as a way to confine and control entire people, is not anti-Korean enough to use Jones in a sample. It's odd seeing a Korean rapper using a sample of such a controversial, manipulative and evil American man, who did horrible things to the American people. It is even more off that the song is centered around Agust D's success and telling people off than about a serious issue that the sample would suggest. Even saying "Your senses of humor are so so; the fact that you’re fucked is your fault, no-no?" in relation to brainwashed people killing themselves. It seems an insensitive pairing especially with survivors and relatives of survivors still being around.


On Twitter, many fans have an issue with sampling a mass murderer who targeted minorities and others are supporting their idol and trusting in his vision and good intentions.

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Deinos25 pts Sunday, May 31, 2020 2
Sunday, May 31, 2020

I guess there are different rules for BTS members and others for everyone else. Must be nice having Army excusing every dumb decision you make while trying to cancel every other Kpop group for the smallest mistake.

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jack-bean1,873 pts Sunday, May 31, 2020 0
Sunday, May 31, 2020
I cant defend this just because he's a member of Korea's #1 boy band.
Jim Jones murdered 900+ people. You don't use a mass murderer for clout.

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