You speculate a lot
sure, she didn't mention her name, but with the context it implies that's where her train of thought went.
1) the question was about how she has a unique view in snsd since she grew up in america and then worked in the korean industry. who else in snsd has that? jessica. they come from the same place after all. tiffany has misspoke before. she had an interview where she was saying how their all so close in age and said "7 of us are the same age" but then quickly said "6 of us". her mind always goes to include jessica i just don't see how she wouldn't immediately think jessica in this case.
2) she said "no one can tell me i'm not girls generation" again someone told jessica she's not girls generation. that is the story she's referring to that they can't talk about right now. 930 and jessica's dismissal is a HUGE stain on snsd's career. it's something they probably always think about. she could've left it at " business is business. no one can tell me im not girls generation" and that would just be referring to her leaving sm, but she knows that that is always going to refer back to jessica, and that's why she said maybe some day we'll tell the story we can't tell right now.
This is all you connecting dots that arent there. Grasping at straws as usual. You want it all to be about Jessica contextually but its not. You honestly have a fantasy in your head and I dont know what is wrong with you to take it the way you do but good luck with taking everything they do out of context and relating it to Jessica when they will probably never be in contact with each other and never will have a reunion as 9
ok sorry i got the interviews mixed up. she didn't say it in billboard she said it here: http://www.papermag.com/tiffan...
"I know! I guess I'm the peacemaker with that. Business is business, but you can't tell me I'm not Girls' Generation. No one's going to tell me that I'm not Girls' Generation! [Laughs] We've all continued to support each other. There are things we can and can't talk about. Maybe one day down the line we'll tell the story."
Her mind went straight to things they can and can't say because she said "no one can tell me i'm not girls generation" except they did tell jessica she's not girls generation. so that's the story they have to tell.
Still doesnt have anything to do with Jessica
so you're also incapable of having a conversation without calling people names. on cloud 9 is a common saying. 9 wishes is not. she called her fan meeting 9 wishes. she answered 9 questions. she talked about snsd having 9 members. but think what you want. and like i said you can search on youtube tiffany's interview on billboard last year where she talks about snsd.
Think what you want peas in the pod. Give me a link to all of their words and Tiffany was only talking about a group comeback as 8 because people keep hounding her and the others about a 8 group comeback nothing to do with Jessica and 930
wow are you incapable of having a conversation without getting angry? when did i say everything is great between the members??? i clearly said jessica cut them off because they betrayed her and it is up to her to forgive them. 1) tiffany retracting that support does not change the fact that she was jessica's biggest cheerleader leading up to 930. that's something jessica said herself. something clearly happened, as jessica said in her statement, for the members to change their mind all of a sudden. that all of a sudden should be a big ass hint for you. 2) sooyoung actually has not only acknowledged the 7 others. she's actually been the most vocal about snsd being 9. she's the first member to even mention that snsd had 9 members. she recently said how gee era was a highlight because every member got to take a trophy home with them (they won 9 times). she said she wishes she could erase 2014. she called her fanmeeting 9 wishes ffs. that's not being bitter. 3) sooyoung implied during their 10th anniversary concert that sm didn't let them talk about the situation. and as i said earlier, she's been reminiscing so much these days. tiffany has explicitly said this: "business is business. my girls are my girls. i know there are things we can't talk about right now but maybe one day we'll be able to" that was from her billboard interview last year. you can search it up on youtube.
Because you are delusional. Sooyoung shaded her just like the rest. Jessica had a fanmeet called on Cloud 9 Does that mean she misses Snsd and wants to reconicle? Give me links not your words and Tiffany said that about a group comeback not about Jessica or 930 you delusional pea brain
I remember reading all about this so I don't see how this is "new information". SM said back then several parents were afraid Jessica would endanger SNSD due to her having an interest in having her own brand and products.
Most of it is known but most of it was overshadowed by the SM and Sone smear tactic to damage Jessica's rep and image I think the only thing that is new is the Tieba postings but even then a "vote" was heard of long before.
I love the video it shuts down all the lies told about Jessica's removal and Sones lies because they have a mesh of noodles for brains š¤Ŗ That is why they repeat the same false lies about 930 with their race track brain stems
She had two years so yea I'm pretty sure she was able to release six songs. Is that more that snsd albums +
promotions, um no. At this point there no point arguing about whether she had time for snsd vs fashion etc. What we can hopefully realise and accept is that she was given the choice to choose her route. Snsd vs business. And she herself CHOSE the latter. The girls chose snsd. And I think that's speaks for everything about where her heart lied.
They chose for her you theory narrative agenda having repeating liar
Yes that's a very likely possibility. The girls knowing each other so well probably saw through that and hence wanted her to make it clear 'snsd or business', expecting her to choose snsd. But she did not. Most of her fans talk about how she was kicked off coldly, but they seem to forget or chose to forget that she was given a CHOICE. And chose herself over the snsd. She chose her route herself. And the girls chose snsd.
Jessica didnt choose any route they chose it for her since you believe the dude that said Tokyo Dome would be her last he also said the members chose for her and removed her so dont be selective with what you believe when he added that part to the story and she was coldly kicked out Who gives permission then retracts it after contracts with investors are signed? They chose for her Sones like you are of another breed like a huge cult that spreads lies and repeats them until it convinces other people
They kicked Jessica out while they were focusing on their solo works and resumed their solo works even after kicking her out so there was no proper reason for her removal But you can keep on fighting the good fight with lies and theories about Tokyo Dome being her last event and Divine being her last song and that she was lazy uninterested and wanted to leave You go Glen CoCo
Itās possible she was ready to leave the group to concentrate on her fashion line but someone gave her an advice to stay because she needed the āGirlsā Generationā brand to promote her own line. Maybe thatās why she suddenly decided to stay. I mean ājessica jung of girlsā generationā would attract far more customers than just simply ājessica jungā. And if I were one of the members, that would certainly piss me off. Staying in the group for the sake of her own business...
She renewed her contract for 3 years She had no plans to leave but great job for believing the smear tactics that said she was advised to stay in SNSD for her brand when she never wanted to leave in the first place A1 logic
wow. 1) jessica said tiffany was her biggest supporter on radio star. tiffany is the one who said during kcon ny in august 2014 "we're all doing our own thing this year. we're doing taetiseo, some of us are acting, and also designing" and she gestured to jessica. so she actually did show public support. 2) where am i delusionally clinging to ot9? i said jessica cut them off and if jessica decides she can forgive them then it's up to her to do so. where the fuck is the delusion in that? that's the truth. jessica is the only one who can forgive in this situation. 3) hyoyeon and tiffany are the only ones that have actively cut jessica out from snsd. the others just acknowledge that snsd is 8 now, which is the truth, but hyoyeon said "i've always had 7 beside me" as if she's never had jessica at all, and tiffany cut jessica out of their debut photo. that's how i can tell they're the most bitter, because none of the other members have actively cut jessica out of snsd. they've only just acknowledged the reality of the present situation.
And Tiffany and the others retracted that support the moment they had that meeting and tried to make Jessica choose your bringing up a statement from years ago that has no correlation with Jessica now. Tiffany is NOT Jessicas biggest supporter and she is NOT her cheerleader. Sooyoung has only acknowledged the 7 others experiencing the same as her for 10 years for Holiday Night does that mean she is angriest and bitter at Jessica too? I dont get you at all You sound like you are clinging to something that wont happen because they ALMOST RUINED HER CAREER. Jessica has said she has forgiven but that does not mean everything is f*cking great between the members and olive branches should be offered WHEN THEY CUT HER OFF AND LEFT HER WITH ONLY HER START UP FASHION BUSINESS TO FALL BACK ON AND A DAMAGED IMAGE AND REPUTATION BECAUSE THEY WANTED HER OUT And what is this lie about them saying they want to talk about it one day when that was never said by any of them provide a source if that is true
i think the girls did ask her to choose, but i don't think by the time sm stepped in they wanted things to go down that way. tiffany was jessica's biggest cheerleader. if sm is telling the truth saying they were upset jessica launched b&e early, tiffany saying jessica was going into design is her telling sm to fuck off in public. if sm are lying, and i think they are, tiffany is still showing her support for jessica. i think the reason tiffany is so bitter now is because jessica cut ties with all of them. ot8 have a strong bond now because they had to move on too with that shared empty space. hopefully one day they can come back together, but i feel like it might be up to jessica to hold out an olive branch first. i just don't think it's a coincidence that tiffany and hyoyeon are the most bitter, being her closest friends at the time.
Tiffany is not Jessicas biggest cheerleader and all of the members gave her the ok for BE before retracting it None of them have shown public support for Jessica like she has talking wishing Snsd well and saying their music video is nice and suits them. Snsd agreed with removing Jessica and that is it. Even when SM did step in they wanted her out. And how does anyone know that Hyoyeon is the angriest when she does not speak about the situation or her feelings What kind of delusional cling at Ot9 and some nonexistent friendship between Jessica and Snsd is this post? They literally almost entirely fucked her career up by making her choose She received damages to her image and reputation thanks to Snsd wanting to have an issue with her brand after she signed contracts with her investors and you are talking about olive branches and wanting to reach out to them? Delusional
It's not the matter of who received hate more or less, it the matter of reputation and I'd say after Jessica's post she was pretty successful in trying to paint that narrative of the victim. People still hate on snsd a lot as you can see clearly in this own article. And of course Jessica is gonna of get hate too coming from fans who are angry and betrayed for trying ACTIVELY to bring down the name of snsd, a name that they worked so hard on. And snsd did not get their the public back to interest by sitting still, they worked hard on their songs, they did not disband like some people predicted moved on and and are still working hard. That goes the same for Jessica too. She has gained her own set of fans too.
I personally believe that the departure was a result of not just contract deals/technicalities but also part due to the girls friendship. And we do NOT have a right to say or judge ANYTHING on that part. But people automatically assuming that the girls are selfish or greedy and Jessica had NO part in her departure, she was just sitting still eating ice cream and the girls told her oi get out, is the truth that most of her fans want to believe in, BUT is clearly not what happened. I am not a saying Jessica lied, I still LOVE her as I had and still love her awesome personality, but she posted a partial truth in her post and I'd wish she'd revealed and acknowledged
her own doings too. She told us 10% of what happened at the end, the story her fans focus most on. But if you were going to reveal what happened wouldn't you reveal everything? Because then that is the real truth.
You brought up who received hate and I added my two cents about what Jessica went through because people like you like to act blind to the fact that Jessica's image reputation and career have suffered damage beyond repair or fixing. Sone LIED on her and people believe those lies. The same ones you spread about Tokyo Dome and Divine. There are MORE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE SNSD HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HER REMOVAL THAN PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY KICKED HER OUT. If there was such a justifiable reason for removing her why was it never announced? Why didnt SM deny her statement about the members? Why didnt they release anything more damaging [Except that smear tactic full of lies] If theres so much dirt on Jessica and her removal? Oh wait! She was right! There was no justifiable reason for removing her Esp when after her removal ALL members started doing their solo works and were doing their solo works before she got removed and you are a f*cking lie for saying she wanted to leave was lazy blah blah blah in that other post I have no reason to read more of your bullcrap if you choose to reply to this because you DO NOT love Jessica You have a agenda to protect Snsd and spread lies that were confirmed as lies WITH TIME even wout that video Do us all a favor and stay off of Jessica related articles
Then why are they fine with Baekhyun having his hand in the fashion industry and SJ is allowed to have other endeavors, but suddenly Jessica isn't allowed?
Their reasoning makes no sense because SM and the members were aware of her plans and SM approved it twice even when tensions were high among the members when they tried to make Jessica choose and she wouldnt. Meaning that when Jessica renewed her contract for 3 years the Snsd members and SM were aware of BE and what it would entail and she had permission. Really..... if SM was the only bad guy in Jessica's removal their artists would not be wearing BE to this day. I dont believe a thing that anyone says when they call her half minded and say she wasnt prioritizing Snsd when they have no proof of her missing events and practices but are more than happy to repeat that narrative. Sm would not have let BE happen from the start if it was going to be an issue and it was not a issue.
I remember the hate going not only to Jessica but both her and the girls (mostly Taeyeon out of the 8 girls) at the time. A lot of people viewed snsd as villains after Jessica's post and still do.
As a very, very long time sone and a Jessica fan I think both sides had a lot of problems going on. Situations are rarely black and white as much as you'd like to believe it to be. So, for you to view the 8 other girls as stingy and selfish for some reason, then you are the SAME as those hating on Jessica. As fans, we just need to move one, CELEBRATE their hard work, agree that snsd did so much for KPOP, meant SO much to SO many people, and that all the 9 girls deserve all the happiness they can get.
I remember the hate lasting against Snsd for a few days then SM and Sone tried their best to do damage control to Jessica's image by having a smear campaign against her with the help of Sone and it worked. The smear campaign is so strong against Jessica that even though none of the reasons listed about her never came true or happened people [Esp Sone] still keep listing them for why she deserved her removal. I wont make it seem like Snsd does not get backlash because they do but it is nothing on the scale of what Jessica has received.
Who had a successful smear campaign launched against them? Who still gets hate comments in their articles mocking them? Whos music career is kinda halted? Whos reputation and image took a severe beating? Jessica.
Snsd has such a big fandom that Sone were able and are still able to push a narrative that the members had nothing to do with Jessicas removal from the group and people believe it because the fandom is so huge and there are many influential Sones. Snsd and Taeyeon still have the support of many people over Jessica. The general public loves Snsd and Taeyeon and their music.
To me the hate that Jessica received will never be comparable to anything that was said about the Snsd members being involved in her removal.
Jessica may not go into further detail about her removal but she has said that she never wanted to be solo but because of the circumstances [930] She had to go her own way and make do with it. But lets ignore that and keep talking about Divine being her goodbye song and Tokyo Dome being her last group event when not either Jessica or SM has ever said that.
If you ask many people who have some knowledge of 930 if the Snsd members kicked Jessica out or played a part in it 8 or 9 times out of 10 Someone will say that a) Jessica left on her own b) "Didn't she leave to be a designer or get married and halt her music career" c) She was going to leave anyway [Bc they believe the smear campaign] after Tokyo Dome e) "The members have no power to make that decision!" f) It was all SMs fault g) All of the above
If she had agreement with SM she should have been smarter and gave it down on paper as a legal contract. To other's eye it's obvious that she have split attention when she decided to start her fashion career. She decided to renew for 3yr with SNSD why don't she just finish it then do her brand? She said she had no choice and was forced out but ultimately they told her to choose and she picked her fashion career so. And she's happy now.
Your reasoning makes zero sense because SM and the members were aware of her plans and SM approved it twice even when tensions were high among the members. SM to this day supports BE People keep saying she was half minded but she made it to most events and no one has proof of her missing events or pratices but everyone repeats it like broken record. Jessica didn't choose they chose for her.
I meant the people you mentioned who did that to her were malicious, not the video.. <.<
I just think your comment about ruining careers is too much considering what has happened to Jessica her career her image her reputation.
Yeah and that's bad, I am not defending those people.. Like I said I am tired of such things happening for no other reason then people being malicious.
The video isn't malicious it is showing the other side to the lies that were told and no one here is being malicious I just think your comment about ruining careers is too much considering what has happened to Jessica her career her image her reputation. Jessica has 1 fandom rely on Snsd have eight fandoms and that fandom did their damage with smear tactic and the video fights all the smearing of Jessica and if you read what the video said the author told people not to be hateful and take the information as hard fact when it only shows screenshots from other news sources
1st) 2 wrongs don't make 1 right, just because they did that, doesn't mean the other side should do the same.
2nd) I admit I didn't see the whole thing, but some of "proof" presented can be seen as quite ambiguous.
3rd) I don't know enough about SNSD to elaborate more to be honest, I never followed girl groups that closely, so maybe that's why I didn't "get" the video. I am sorry if my comment offended Jessicas fans. I only wrote that because I am tired of seeing groundless posts spreading around which in turn can lead to baseless rumors that can ruin someones career for no good reason.
If you want to talk about baseless rumors ruining careers call out what they did. I have witnessed the horrors of what 930 did to Jessica and will never forget her talking about how she became depressed and didnt have the courage to continue but she did for her fans I will never forget Krystal's letter at her birthday party about how Jessica wept almost every day after being removed from the group and how it pained her to see her sister like that
1st) 2 wrongs don't make 1 right, just because they did that, doesn't mean the other side should do the same.
2nd) I admit I didn't see the whole thing, but some of "proof" presented can be seen as quite ambiguous.
3rd) I don't know enough about SNSD to elaborate more to be honest, I never followed girl groups that closely, so maybe that's why I didn't "get" the video. I am sorry if my comment offended Jessicas fans. I only wrote that because I am tired of seeing groundless posts spreading around which in turn can lead to baseless rumors that can ruin someones career for no good reason.
None of it was ambiguous it was clear and to the point. You should watch all of it before making such a comment. Sone did a good job making people believe the baseless Tokyo Dome theory that Jessica was getting married That her statement was a lie and attempt to falsely accuse the members to play the victim card. Jessica had BE to fall back on but her music career is kinda halted and her image damaged beyond repair because of the Sone and SM smear tactic. People see her as a selfish victim playing gold digger.
Yeah.. let's discuss rumors we find online. That sounds productive.
Yeah! Why not? That was what Sones did when they took Oniontaker and Samchon rumors as fact and ran with them! They have convinced many people that Jessica was supposed to leave after Tokyo Dome because they read it from a newspaper although Jessica renewed her contract for 3 years and Jessica and SM never said a word about Tokyo Dome being her final group event! If one side of the fandom can do damage control why can't the other? The video actually gave proof of where all the information discussed in it came from but lets ignore that!
It's a bit pointless, of cource she did something to piss of SM and/or the other girls, she would not have been kick from the group if she had not.
It's not pointless
yea obviously this is pure speculation. but the chance of the story they can't talk about now not being about jessica is extremely small, given that that's the only story they really have to tell but can't. why waste my fantasy on the idea that jessica and tiffany are still resentful with each other. i'm looking at what they present to us and say to us to get a better grasp of where they're at. if i was fantasizing i'd say they're still friends but sm is stopping them from associating with one another. except the reason i know that isn't the case is because of how distant they are, how shady they are, and how hurt jessica still seems about everything. that is also speculation.