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ssighhhhh depression sucks…
suicide isnt the answer D:

suicide is a korean fashion now__? :(

...the fact that she was even contemplating suicide means she was at a very fragile mentally, emotionally, and physically. The fact that she actually attempted to take her own life means whatever is going on in her life right now is very serious to her. Do you really think you know all there is to her life? I think it’s very unfair that some of you are labeling her “problems” as insignificant. Even after seeing such untimely and tragic deaths (Jang Ja Yun, Choi Jin Shil), I can’t believe some of you are still so quick to judge her, her life, and her problems.

I hope she feels better and seeks treatment, without being scrutinized by anyone for being so “weak.”

@10: You make a very good point.
I personally don’t get why they think comitting / attempting suicide is the best way to put them out of misery. They should try other things. I mean these guys have fans that do care and by comitting suicude that can totally depressing them.

i hope she gets better . gosh

so many k-celebs are commiting sucide):
if another one dies im gonna cry T____________T
jiyonggie better not Dx

I really loved Shine…they were a talented group…but I thought there were only two members?

I want to add this on Ur plea: Even if U’re no celebrity or feel like NOBODY loves U & life is too much to bear anymore, the world would not end yet & there always is tomorrow. I don’t know where death would lead U (no peace, less pain, etc.) since I’m still here, clinging on to every bit of oxygen I could take in (^^); but if U want to die that much, do sth constructive 1st like leaving some money for Ur own funerals & donating Ur body parts for those who WANT to live.

Hopefully, the lucky girl would recover & realize that she’s lucky to be alive. Life is hard & ppl make each other suffer, but do U dare to suffer together?

OMG. What is with all these suicides? >< This is not right.

Celebrity or not, Suicide for me is a cowardly way out. There are different levels of depressions and those levels will have solutions if you bother to look. Killing yourself might solve your problem but what about the people left behind? I see suicide all the over the news these days, not just in Korea and it’s very sad and very depressing that the world is coming to this.

The world is tough and unfair, we all know that but yet we’re on our computers/laptops, eating 3-4 meals a day and crying about unfairness, what about those that don’t have the luxuries we do? I’m pissed off at her ‘reason’ for wanting to kill herself, seriously.

@57: different group with same name. i don’t know what happened to the other shine.

she’s lucky that she’s still alive. hopefully her love ones will be able to help and support her and not criticize her for attempting such a selfish act.

@#3
I cannot believe you can say something like that. It’s not a matter of being ‘weak’, and even if it was, it’s not just Koreans. ‘Weak’ could also include Americans, Aremanians, Japanese, French, ect.. you get my idea.
Yes, they DO need to find better ways to deal with their problems, but obviously, they are under a lot of stress, and that is something that neither you or I could completely understand unless we were in the same situations.
I just think that it is sad that they cannot find the help they need, and in the end, take their lives.
That’s all I have to say.

wow its sad she attempted suicide and I hope she becomes stronger again and I agree wirh squishy @49 when someone is depressed they find the easiest way to escape their problems and its hard to deal with and I agree with @ 42 hope celebs and other dont commit suicide

FOOLS. haven’t you read previous comments that have explicitly stated that depression is A DISEASE? And a serious one at that, which drives you to irrationality. It means that you are not able to make clear decisions while in a depressed state, and possibly only outside influence can help. (Which Korea isn’t providing)

Few people will have the will to live if they are in severe depression. They are NOT able to think “I can’t let down my family by committing suicide” while in depression. It is NOT a matter of whether they are cowardly. Think of it as someone (depression) mind-controlling you to commit suicide, while you are perfectly aware of the consequences, but just cannot help it. Please go read up on psychology before you open your mouths again.

so many suicide (attempts)..
@#35, really? wow ‘explains’ alot, Tablo is awesome

oh my….luckily she is saved. and i really hope she gets all the help that she needs to rise again.

@21: Your comment is the stupidest thing ever ever ever… ever ever ever on the face of this earth. People who commit suicide or attempt suicide needed/need help. There are new laws in some states (one state I forget) about “right to die” when it comes to a terminal illness where you know that your going to die a painful death. Do you know nothing about depression and mental illness? A sane person doesn’t want to die. Your comment disgusts me.

@49: You are such a damn hypocrite. You say that suicidal people are cowards and irresponsible and need to think about their family and yet at the same time say they can’t help it cause they’re suicidal ? Hypocrite. It’s one or the other. And it’s the other.They obviously aren’t thinking clearly and need help/medication. Not people putting them down and making them feel guilty.

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Seriously how people be so ignorant? It really irritates me to no end. Jebus!

@3: If you have no compassion or understanding for others don’t expect the same for yourself. Good job generalizing a whole nation/group of people just like every other ignorant does. I’m sure they’re devasted about no longer having some random person’s (that they will never ever know about) sympathy.

suicide is not the answer… people should never have to resort to suicide.. so sad.
but i hope shine’s and kelly’s future will be successful.

I like how all you psychology kids are telling others to go take a psychology course in order to fully understand depression and its severity as well as the causes of suicide. As someone who has done all of those things I can at least tell you that psychology is bullshit. If you think you understand people and their thought processes because you’ve taken some psychology courses or you major in psychology, you’re stupid. Human beings are irrational, whether they are depressed or not, and every individual is different. If a person is driven to suicide that is THEIR choice. In many opinions, that is a sign of weakness, and those people have a right to voice their opinions, just as you can “psychoanalyze” others and voice your own.  Depression is an illness, fine, I’ll give you that. But if you can’t beat your illness, it will kill you, in the same way that cancer will kill you. But here’s the difference: A cancer patient has NO choice. A depressed person DOES. Why should there be pity for those with choices when others who wish to live are dying due to uncontrollable situations?

Please, do everyone a favour and stop acting like your knowledge of psychology is a valid argument against people who don’t pity suicide victims. You sound as ignorant as you claim everyone else is.

whats with these suicides or attempts of it? hmm well i wish her the best of luck

Who are you to condemn suicide as wrong for these people? Maybe they thought ending their suffering was better than living a lie.

Who are you to tell them that it’s “not right”? How are they cowards? If someone has a serious illness like depression, it could be a leap of courage that brings them to act this way. Just because it’s not right for you doesn’t mean it’s not for anyone else. Suicide happens regardless of the country, time period, era. Yes, the sudden increase in Korea speaks of a deeper problem within societal institutions, but for some, ending the pain has been a long time coming.

Don’t judge if you don’t understand.

If you want another perspective on suicide, I recommend reading Hamlet’s soliloquy in Act 3, Scene 1.

“To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, ‘tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish’d. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there’s the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause: there’s the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor’s wrong, the proud man’s contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law’s delay,
The insolence of office and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover’d country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action. - Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remember’d.”

@64- Perfectly put.

@70- I think psychology is 99% bullshit too, and I can see where you’re coming from- it’s perfectly alright not to pity suicide victims, just like it’s okay not to pity homeless people and the like. But why this need to heap crap on them? There is absolutely no reason to call someone selfish and cowardly other than to make them feel even worse about themselves. If you don’t condone depression, that’s fine- but keep the contemptuous comments to yourself. (that’s not to you… but other people who have posted.)

Who freakin cares about books and classes. Only when you live it and see what people go through will you understand. So don’t act all high and fuckin mighty like you your way is the only way. If you know people with depression and suicidal thoughts YOU KNOW that it’s not the norm. There’s no if’s and or buts about it. And if you think that ending your life when you do have a clear head is an OK thought you are stupider than stupid.  When people commit/attempt suicide they are obviously at the point of no return. Unless they survive and get help. Maybe some people need to read a book and others need to know somebody. Better yet some people need to live it and survive to understand.

DongBangLove, you’re an effing tard…...Wow….just wow…...words fail to express my disbelief at your deeply moving life-and-DBSK metaphor.

You know some people only look at celebrities as entertainers to mock like allkpop. Maybe they are good examples of how NOT to act.

And for the people who say they are “irresponsible” for leaving the world? WTF. I don’t understand. Did these people ask to be born? Do you think they WANTED that to happen to them? Wtf do these people owe YOU? Why in the world would they have to continue their miserable lives with heavy hearts just to not be “selfish”? Don’t you think you yourself are being selfish and unreasonable to ask another human being to carry on their burdens for the rest of their lives until it is OKAY for them, according to YOUR guidelines, to die?? Does it make you feel better to not hear of another’s suicide? Does it ease your pain to not experience someone close to you killing themselves, KNOWING you could’ve done something to help them when they were alive? The bottom line: no one needs no one’s effing permission to end THEIR lives. We all die. We just take different routes to get there. And if it bothers you so much, you should’ve done something about it before it happened. Don’t just stand on your high horse and btich about something you’ll never understand.

The thing here is to not point fingers at the victims, but to understand the institutions that did nothing and are still doing nothing to help their citizens. I say it’s time for the South Korean government to end their unreasonable phobia of psychotherapy and to help their people. It’s all rooted in ignorance, ignorance and ignorance. They need to face the ugly truth and see that their stubbornness & narrow views are literally and metaphorically killing off their people.

I say the first thing the S. Korean gov’t needs to do is (1) state a national emergency intervention   (2) institute psychotherapy as an accepted form of practice and demonstrate what it ACTUALLY does, and that it isn’t just for crazies. Show how the U.S. implements it and how it’s infiltrated in practically every institution, from schools to the workplace.  (3) have celebrities go to therapists for one reason or another and show it on tv or something.  (4) bring experienced professionals to the schools and companies.  (5) make it as popular as studying and plastic surgery, since a lot of S. Koreans seem like trend followers.  Seriously, make it a trend. I could actually envision it happening if people became a bit more open.

@77"And if it bothers you so much, you should’ve done something about it before it happened. Don’t just stand on your high horse and btich about something you’ll never understand.”
Exactly. Some people don’t try hard enough but on the other hand some people don’t try at all. And I don’t mean to put those down who do try cause sometimes everything somebody else does isn’t enough. I just know that suicide isn’t something that people without an illness thinks. It really just doens’t make sense to think that it does.

RETARDED FOOLS….

@81: Who? You? Be more specific. Put some thought into your comment.

@70. I am not a psychology kid, I am someone who has experienced depression (and mania) personally and I can tell you from experience that you amount of telling someone that suicide is not the answer will stop someone who is truly depressed from feeling like there is no way out. I have also been in a mental illness facility and have seen other people who were depressed, manic, schizophrenic, etc. MENTAL ILLNESS IS A DISEASE AND NOT A CHOICE! If you were experiencing a deep sense of woe that no matter what happened you could not get over and it go to the point that you couldn’t even get yourself out of bed I think you might understand better. You’re probably right, you probably can’t understand depression and other mental illness from taking a class or reading a book, I suggest you actually go to a psychiatric hospital and see for yourself if mental illness is real. Also, MENTAL ILLNESS CAN AFFECT THE BODY AND CAUSE PHYSICAL ILLNESS. People who are seriously depressed often are lethargic physically and low energy which again only makes the depression worse.

*no amount of telling someone that suicide is not the answer will stop someone who is truly depressed.

It’s a sad thing that many Koreans are turning to suicide nowadays.. While it’s true that celebrities committing suicide may influence other people to do so, we should not label them as being irresponsible and a coward. After all by the end of the day they’re just normal people like us. We should understand that they must’ve gone through a lot for them to decide to take their own life. What’s most important is that other celebrities or famous people should step forward to encourage people to seek help if they’re depressed and to encourage people to fight on…

Don’t know what to say..
but in korea, people are just out of the way..The pressure are really big..
if an artist doing something wrong, they keep bashing bashing may be until they sure the artist kill his/her self (sorry, but this is real and may be u are one of them..)
I just wish her luck! God luck girl,may you have more wonderful life..
GOD has a great power.. May be she is a good person, so HE not letting her die..^^

well its that there is no one really going up to them and having them talk about their problems…you know when someone is in need ppl jus need to listen to that person

OMO that’s becoming a habit D:

Its lame how people are talking bad about people who try to commit suicide.

You haters wont ever understand unless youve been through depression.

Its easy to say its a stupid thing to do but when your that sad and depressed, all you think about is making all the problems go away and while killing urslf could do that.

People these days…..

I hope the girls alright and she really should try to be strong ^^
Killing herself is not the answer. It just hurts the people close to her.

wtf is going on in Korea???? Why is everyone killing themselves our pitty shit?!? There’s more in life to live for!

Good she survived.
people just fuck off you can’t blame someone who’s in depression THEYRE ILL FOR GODSAKE!
They CANNOT help IT!!
DO u understand??!?
It’s a mental kinda illness Depression is not something you can get over easily therapy and all that shit doesn’t always help so stop blaming them.
-__-’
Yes suicide is stupid but you have no friggn right to judge them if you don’t know what’s wrong or what they’ve been through and youre not in depression either so you don’t know and you cannot know .
And I still think
@3 fu-_-

Cmon you people talk as if suicide is worst than killing. It’s not that she’s depressed to the extent that she starts taking a knife to murder everybody. Now that’s sad and they definitely need help. Mental Illness? I don’t think so. It’s PERSONAL choice. And people glorify these doctors who try to save suicide victims. Cmon its against their wishes. If they are killing people as a way to relieve their suicidal thoughts then yes, but they are harming nobody. Just let them be.

And about having alot to live for in life. That doesnt apply to everybody. If she wants to do it stop condemning her. Having suicidal thoughts doesnt mean its for the society to judge or dictate what they should do. It’s her life. That’s seriously a violation of human rights. Not having freedom and people are discriminating them.

Being six feet under. Tell me how it doesnt solve everything. It just defy logic when people say committing suicide wont solve anything.

oohh…
sad news…

@#70 - Whether or not it’s a choice is completely irrelevant. Death is death - how a person dies should not dictate the level of sympathy or lack thereof we feel for them; death is the great equalizer after all. The problem with people being overly critical and downright abusive about suicide and suicidal persons is that it doesn’t help the situation at all and can actually make it worse. They criticize people that need help and expect the suicidal to just lift their chins up and get better. How the hell are they supposed to help themselves when they’re constantly being put down? It’s a vicious circle of bullshit. If you have a negative opinion of suicide, fine - at least have the decency, common courtesy and respect to keep those opinions to yourself because what you say just might push a suicidal person over the edge. People condemn what they don’t understand and inevitably contribute to the very cause of suicides by their own ignorance. If you’re tired of seeing people kill themselves, regardless of the reasons whether they’re irrational or not, then think before you speak - it’s possible that you haven’t realized that you just might be the problem. Like I said before, a person is hard pressed to find any empathy in this world.

Many celebrities go through depression some are lucky and are able to get out of it some aren’t. There are many reasons why they are depressed 1. Physco anit-fans 2. Their personal privacy invaded and critisized 3. They aren’t expecting what they sought out for, meaning hard times in their careers.

It is not for me to say that they are “cowards” and this is what they deserved because of their “irresponsibility”. You have to step into their shoes to be able to see/feel what they are seeing/feeling. Don’t go critisize them when you don’t know the situation! I know that suicide isn’t the way to go but, don’t be calling them cowards for choosing death over pain; that they can’t seem bare. You have to help support them to make them less depressed and know that their are others out there that care for them, not the opposite saying negative things! Anyways let’s just hope she gets out of depression and fight on! Because there are some people out their that wouldn’t want her to leave in such a way! <3

agree with #70..
suicide is just an easy way out…
and to those inexperienced kids defending these weak-hearted, selfish celebrities, is it fine with you if your daughter or son makes this kind of “decision?”  if you look from that point of view, i dont think you guys will be defending these celebrities…

If I am in her situation I would not commit suicide.
But since I’m not in her situation, I can’t really judge.
Life is both sweet and sour and you just gotta ride out the sour/bitter part of life,
like I am currently doing.
:D

:( its a good thing that she’s still alive!!!

its really sad when singers and other celebrities attempt suicide

:(

suicide is the last thing i would do!