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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynu6zMeRn6I

The bassist is Korean and he's most certainly made it. The most successful progressive metal band in history and still growing in popularity (though I don't think they'll ever release anything as good as Scenes From A Memory anymore).

★corraaaaa - Oct 21, 2009 01:00pm

mysticmissy - Oct 21, 2009 12:56pm

Charice has made it in US..

if i hadn't seen her on star king, i would never know her name.

so no, she hasn't made it.

Yeah, Charice hasn't really made it. I've only really seen her on Ellen and another talk show, and I wouldn't really call that making it.

I don't see why people are so desperate for an Asian artist to make it over here. Aren't you happy enough with their success right where they are?

Wahwah - Oct 21, 2009 02:03pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynu6zMeRn6I

The bassist is Korean and he's most certainly made it. The most successful progressive metal band in history and still growing in popularity (though I don't think they'll ever release anything as good as Scenes From A Memory anymore).

Worth noting that he is in a band. With instruments. Not even a pop rock band, but a heavy metal band, which has a strong, albeit smaller than some genres, following. Also, it's worth noting that while they're the most progressive metal band in history, they're still very much a non-mainstream band, despite charts and a one hit.

"I think JYP has the right mindset when it comes to the Wonder Girls. They're cute, they're marketable, and they're good role models for young girls. The Jonas Brothers started as Disney artists and have branched out and gotten quite good reviews for their latest album, and Miley Cyrus is one of the most recognizable stars in America, and is singlehandedly richer than many Fortune 500 corporations. Don't even get me started on the phenomenon that is High School Musical.

If they start out with Disney and that group of fiercely loyal preteens, they'll go nowhere but up. People here on this board talk about Disney as a copout, but the fact of the matter is that The Mouse has produced a number of credible artists, and more even so, marketable artists that are making money and selling records, even in this volatile economy.

The Wonder Girls are perfectly suited for Disney with their cute and catchy songs and easy to learn dance moves. All the while, they'll be perfecting their English and working towards breaking out of the Disney mold while making themselves filthy rich and much more experienced performers. I think they've got the best shot at a true crossover success in the States if they can get signed with Disney."

But once Disney artists reach a certain point of popularity, they just head downwards slowly.Examples are Hannah Montana and JoBros, They were really popular in USA at one time, but then America realized what a joke each of them are. Miley may be established in America,, but ever since she whored herself to the world, she's just falling downwards too.

WG may become famous for a year or whatnot, but they will start to go down if they continue with disney. if they really want to become popular, they should remove talentless members like sohee from the group.

Asian Groups should just stay in Asia now, and let solo Asians pave their way. Besides, why would they want to cross over to US anyway when they are really popular here and could live the rest of their lives being popular.

You know what, an Asian artist will break through. Asians play the race and culture card as to why some of their artists aren't famous in the U.S.,but while they're right, they aren't the only ethnicity or culture to go through this. I mean it took years for African-American music to break through and become mainstream. It actually took until Elvis to introduce Black music for people to become more accepting of it. And when MTV first started, the channel refused to play Black artists' music videos.

Same with the Hispanic culture. It took until the mid 1990's for their music to break through to mainstream. But one thing the African-American and Hispanic artists had in common was that they stayed true to their sounds. They didn't try to change their music, but kept true to themselves until someone with power noticed them. So an Asian artist won't break through unless he or she stays true to the music he or she always did. And it's going to take a while for an Asian artist to break through, not just overnight.

icierblue - Oct 22, 2009 07:43am

But once Disney artists reach a certain point of popularity, they just head downwards slowly.Examples are Hannah Montana and JoBros, They were really popular in USA at one time, but then America realized what a joke each of them are. Miley may be established in America,, but ever since she whored herself to the world, she's just falling downwards too."

Miley isn't heading downward. Her new song "Party in the USA" is her biggest hit to date, the 2nd most downloaded song on itunes, and even beat out even Britney Spear's song "3".
Her albums sell like hot fresh butter biscuits, and she was even inducted into the VH1 "House of Divas" (although I personally don't agree). She's still on top for now.

And the Jobro's last album sold over 500,000 copies in the first week. Not heading downward yet either.

While Disney fame can usually be temporary, it still can establish better careers than artists trying to aim at the adult audience. And plenty of Disney stars have crossed over to adulthood, ie Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguliera, Lindsay Lohan (whored herself, but did it), and Hilary Duff.

^ ia. just wanted to add that general public derision doesn't really play much role in measuring success... if you've heard about them enough to curl your lip at them, then they're famous. you don't really have to like them, cuz plenty of other people already do.

I think it is mostly about race... and here in America, I have noticed that there is a time when a certain race is very popular... Hispanics were popular a couple of years ago, then it was African- Americans, next it's going to be the Europeans. I have begun to hear Europeans on the radio. But I think that to become famous, you need Perez Hilton... because he posted about Lady Gaga all the time, people started listening to her... Now if we can just get him to start posting more Kpop...

Why Asian Artists won't breakthrough?

Because for some Americans (and I mean some, maybe most), Nationality is an issue in some parts of the US and they will be most likely criticized for their style and music.

Its going to be a while before any Asian artist will make it. While I did post a comment which Asian artist could make it in another thread, I'm still very skeptical.

I notice some made comments about race and nationality that come into play, while I hate it, I have to agree as well. Both the African American and Hispanic community have a sizable population, and a decent united front (to a certain extent). Asian Americans only make up 5% of the population, roughly 15 million,(if your curious Koreans are 10% or 1.5 million of the Asian population). And lets be honest, certain Asian groups tend to isolate each other (not all though), which is why Asians don't have a strong united community. Frankly Asian artists can't relied on the Asian community to have success.

There is another thing a want to comment. I find it funny how people think a number of youtube views=interest of the artist. I read a comment on an article mention the amount views that 2ne1 and Big Bang has, and think that people in the US would like them to come. Sorry, but youtube views don't mean SHIT at all. Boa's mv "Eat you up", I check how many views out of 4 similar post videos, and they total around 2.2 million views. While not a bad amount of views, her US album so far sold only around 10 thousand. If you look at an established artist like Rihanna, her highest view mv is already passed 100 million, and her last released album sold 2 million copies. So people should NOT look at youtube as a measure of success.

rofl it's probably cuz ivips start off their day by watching their mvs, then eat lunch while watching their mvs, then come home from school and watch their mvs, then eat dinner while watching their mvs, then watch their mvs one more time before going to sleep so they can have nice batshit crazy fangirl dreams.

★corraaaaa - Oct 22, 2009 08:36pm

rofl it's probably cuz ivips start off their day by watching their mvs, then eat lunch while watching their mvs, then come home from school and watch their mvs, then eat dinner while watching their mvs, then watch their mvs one more time before going to sleep so they can have nice batshit crazy fangirl dreams.

lol that's b/c some fans think that they'll probably marry a celeb just by watching his mv's all day on youtube

Most people think all asians sound like william hung she bang! she bang!
as a result the assume Aisans can't sing

kpopluver - Oct 22, 2009 09:03pm

Most people think all asians sound like william hung she bang! she bang!
as a result the assume Aisans can't sing

WHy do people think Americans won't like these artists because they are Asian? It's either they like the music or they don't. Race doesn't matter in America if you have talent. People were listening to "black" music (as in jazz and all that good stuff) back when interracial marriages were illegal and black people were getting lynched and crap. Last time i checked, it's 2009, and people don't care what color you are, especially in music.

In America you usually have to have the full package which means being able to sing and being sexy or extremely good looking. You can't be pretty but talentless (like idols especially in kpop). And if you're ugly, you better have a voice like Whitney Houston or Jennifer Hudson. Beyonce isn't the best singer (not horrible) but she's hot (yeah i admitted it and i'm a girl) and has a lot of charisma on stage.

If you look at the people who have recently tried, Wondergirls have done the best. They stayed true to themselves. BoA (I love her and she got me into kpop) totally changed with all the autotune and Se7en just came out looking like a wannabe something. Utada was just boring (but i liked takin my money back or whatever).

So to paraphrase, race doesn't matter. You have to have talent and be pretty by AMERICAN STANDARDS (meaning these skinny underweight girls some of you people call hot are not going to make it, Curves are in now meaning boobs and butt). And don't change your style to fit in with everybody else because then you won't be noticed.

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99% of idols won't exactly be considered very curvy by Western world standards. Of course, not ALL famous stars are super curvy, though. I can't even think of one who I really see as really curvy.

Most kpop idols are underweight, though, and this is something that a lot of people are against now, due to the message it sends out. There are plenty of American stars who are by no means fat that would be considered thicker in Asia.

Like I mentioned earlier, though, I think the harshness of the media and criticism here is something they wouldn't be able to handle. I know that there are plenty of parodies in kpop, but they aren't really mean parodies. Some of these people get really mean when they make fun of artists. Kpop idols can't handle criticism. This is truth. All of them get depressed over small comments and they've always got someone sticking up for them whenever something goes wrong. They don't ever have to really handle it. As for music, I rarely ever hear actual criticism towards music in Korea. I don't know why, but every album is always seen as 'a refreshing concept' or a sign of maturity or whatever.

i think it may happen but not anytime soon, like bob mentioned it took years for even black music to played on white stations or even accepted. Maybe had they tried to come over during the boyband craze they may have had a chance then, however i am noticing a return to girl and guy groups here in america.

it would be nice to be able to go to a store and buy a music cd from a korean artist, and not having to wait weeks for it to arrive in the mail. But the artist also have to be willing to branch out from the typical asian areas to promote when they come to america.

theoretically - Oct 22, 2009 09:25pm

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99% of idols won't exactly be considered very curvy by Western world standards. Of course, not ALL famous stars are super curvy, though.

Most kpop idols are underweight, though, and this is something that a lot of people are against now, due to the message it sends out. There are plenty of American stars who are by no means fat that would be considered thicker in Asia.

Of course not all are curvy, but they are healthy looking, which is all i care about. I just don't see how people call idols with the body of 12 year olds sexy. Just look in America at females like Miley Cyrus and Keira Knightley. I have nothing against them but teenage boys (which is what i am around since i go to high school) don't consider them sexy or talk about them. they say "she has no figure." These Asian singers will have to look good by western standards (which for some reason seem to focus on the body more than the face) and/or be extremely talented to get attention.

What i would consider healthy is Lee Hyori, Son Dambi sometimes, Chae Yeon, CL, Bom, Minzy (from 2NE1), Sunny and Hyo Yeon (from SNSD), and Afterschool looks pretty healthy (in an athletic way). Wow that's more than i thought.

And the stereotype that Americans just don't like Asians, uh look at Jay Sean, that guy is Indian British or British Indian. Americans wouldn't call the majority of Indian or British people sexy but he's got a number one single (which makes me think some hot East Asian guy could do it too). But Jay Sean is pretty hot and has a nice body... anywho, I'd like to see some more healthy looking singers in kpop (they seem the most skinny or have the largest number of underweight people to me compared to other East Asian countries). I seriously miss Big Mama (they were looking pretty good in the Nevermind music video).

Dang i wrote another essay...

You also have to think about face:
Hyoyeon - She's got a nice body and she's my absolute favorite kpop idol BUT lots of people don't think she's pretty, and I'm not so sure how most Americans would feel about her. Even lots of SNSD fans consider her to be not so pretty.
Sunny - How she looks really sort of fluctuates depending on her facial pose (she looks a LOT better when she doesn't smile with teeth) and angle. Also, not completely related, but I don't think she's that curvy, actually. I think she stuffs her bra, but that is a completely different matter.
Bom - Still has the issue of not being able to move her face. If they got any kind of recognition people WILL notice this and they won't be nice about it.
CL - Again, decent body, but not a lot of people are going to think she's pretty.
Minzy - There is nothing sexy about her. Period. Americans will not think she's hot.

theoretically - Oct 22, 2009 09:47pm

You also have to think about face:
Hyoyeon - She's got a nice body and she's my absolute favorite kpop idol BUT lots of people don't think she's pretty, and I'm not so sure how most Americans would feel about her. Even lots of SNSD fans consider her to be not so pretty.
Bom - Still has the issue of not being able to move her face. If they got any kind of recognition people WILL notice this and they won't be nice about it.
CL - Again, decent body, but not a lot of people are going to think she's pretty.
Minzy - There is nothing sexy about her. Period.

I think Hyo Yeon and CL are pretty. I have a girl crush on CL (I like her butt, i know it's weird) and if i liked SNSD i'd probably have a girl crush on Hyo Yeon too because she stood out the most to me (i knew her name first, a year before i knew the other ones). I don't think Sunny or Bom are pretty though. But i know i have weird taste (usually in girls, not boys but i'm not bisexual, i just notice people). Most of 2NE1 international fans seem to like CL too. Only in Korea and the Philippines is Dara the favorite. And I think once Minji is legal, her body will be awesome, her face is fine (not ugly, not beautiful, just normal) to me but again i have weird tastes. I think talent influences how pretty a person is to me. But Korean standards of beauty are a lot different than American ones. What's pretty in Korea can be seen as boring and lifeless in America (like UEE from Afterschool). Koreans seem to focus on the face and Americans focus on the body (face comes second).

Yeah. Like I said, I also think Hyoyeon is pretty.

BUT if you went and showed pictures of Hyoyeon and CL to most people, do you honestly think the majority of them would think they were pretty, especially when compared to other members in their groups?

And having lots of fans and people notice you and like you doesn't equate to huge album sales. Doesn't Taeyeon have like 600k members in her fanclub? And how many copies did SNSD's last album sell? And DBSK has a huge fanclub, but they don't sell anywhere near the same number of albums as they have fans.

theoretically - Oct 22, 2009 10:02pm

Yeah. Like I said, I also think Hyoyeon is pretty.

BUT if you went and showed pictures of Hyoyeon and CL to most people, do you honestly think the majority of them would think they were pretty, especially when compared to other members in their groups?

Probably not, but they'd still get attention for talent and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And I'd rather get by on what i can do than what i look like because looks can go away really fast. But that's just my opinion.

I wish i could talk about japanese or chinese music but kpop is all i know. But Kpop idol groups won't have a chance at the rate they are going now (aka talentless). Solo artists like Wheesung i think have a better chance as long as he doesn't pull a Se7en move on his American debut. I hope he sings Choco Luv. that song is hot, Americans will like that. I hope they don't try to make him look like a wannabe because he is truly talented. I also think Tae Yang could make it because i have yet to meet an American girl who didn't think he was soooo sexy. He can replace Chris Brown (and i doubt Tae Yang would ever hurt anybody). Rain is too out there for some reason and his english is horrible but maybe he'll do movies before singing. So i bet on WHeesung so far and maybe Wonder Girls (we'll see how they do after Nobody). Tae Yang is just a dream of mine and a couple other American girls at my school.

And i agree about the fanclub not equaling album sales. But i think a couple people signed up twice to those websites so they could brag about their person having the most fans. I know it's crazy but to me, everything is a conspiracy with these Korean fans. They also buy multiple albums so Kpop idol groups should have way more album sales than they do. But Korea's very techy so i'm sure downloading is a big problem and that equates to lower album sales.