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INFINITE's L claimed that SM Entertainment artists are 60% looks and 40% talent?

April 16, 2013 @ 5:07 pm
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INFINITE's L's online posts from the past when he was just a mere 'netizen' provided some laughter on the latest episode of 'Beatles Code 2'.

The members INFINITE were guests on the April 15th show and MC Shindong pulled out a panel where L had answered a question pertaining to debuting as a celebrity on an online community board. The post was dated back to 2008, when L was a normal 'netizen' on the internet.

The question was, "What should I do if I want to become a celebrity?". L had responded in detail, but Shindong pointed out a specific phrase where L answered, "The labels focus on your looks to a certain extent. SM Entertainment considers looks at about 60% and talent at around 40%. The labels that concentrate more on talent are JYP Entertainment and YG Entertainment."

Shindong then joked, "You criticized our label. You're telling us we have no talent", flustering L.

The segment begins around the 1:51 mark below!



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m4nilas3oulbo1
· Posted March 5, 2014 @ 11:23 pm

That awkward moment where L disses SMTown and then joins their roster by acquisition.

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Fatz-G.
· Posted January 18, 2014 @ 12:39 am

I'm a fan of INFINITE, but it's funny that INFINITE merged with SM C&C right after this.. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA 

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elshayyangelas
· Posted November 3, 2013 @ 6:34 am

bish please.. L is Kim MyungSoo at that time. why judge? tssskkkk

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aprilm
· Posted September 22, 2013 @ 10:41 pm

​lol don't worry l i agree with you kekekeke

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lumineuse
· Posted August 21, 2013 @ 4:30 am

...are there seriously new comments here? I cannot.

Thankfully, there's copy & paste because people need to be properly educated, per the usual:.

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L wrote this in a website board similar to Yahoo answers. In 2008. You see the year, 2008In the year 2008, L wasn't L. He was Kim Myungsoo. A normal, every day non-trainee, who browsed the internet and help give advice. One particular web browsing day, Kim Myungsoo saw someone wanting to know which company they should audition in since the person dreamed to be a singer. Kim Myungsoo, who also dreamed to be a singer, gave his view points about how the scouting process of the big three companies worked. Let's read that again. Scouting progress. Let's take it slowly now for better understanding. ScoutingProcessWhen looking for potential trainees, the three big companies look for two things - talent and looks. Some companies tend to scout good looking people more than others. He felt SM focused just a tad bit more on looks when searching around for potentials. So he made a percentage of 60% looks and 40% talent balance. Which, when you actually use your brain and math, it's only a 20% gap. In other words, it isn't even that fucking bigSo let's go over that. He said that SM's scouting process tends to be 60% looks and 40% talent centered. Not that SM idols are untalented. He never said that. He stated that SM doesn't mind grabbing people over looks more often than not when browsing. He didn't say it was a bad thing, so I don't know why people freaked the hell out in the first place, he didn't insult, he didn't say anything about himself, he wasn't negative. You can take it however you will, but all trainees go to, uh, training. So even if they were picked by looks, that can be remedied and vice versa. It was just the scouting process. Everything can change, so there's a difference here to what they end up becoming (and let's not be in denial, it's damn true: http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/06/instiz-interesting-idol-casting-stories.html ). He also didn't leave out the rest of the big three. He said they ALL tend to go for looks in some way. He was a huge TVXQ fan at the time (2008), still is, and liked SNSD. So obviously there was no real issue. Beatles Code decided to dig up some past things that INFINITE members used to do. Hence, why they presented those answers of 2008 netizen Kim Myungsoo. They all laughed good heartedly (Shindong was there, by the way) about it as L became embarrassed. It was Shindong who said jokingly if he was saying they were untalented. But that wasn't what L himself said. That's the crap AKP decided to translate (and badly at that).

Do you all understand?


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ohbunnies
· Posted August 10, 2013 @ 10:43 am

That is in his opinion, can you guys not bash on him like that?

lumineuse
· Posted August 21, 2013 @ 4:22 am
Of course not. That's the job of pressed SM stans.
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alexshineelover
· Posted August 9, 2013 @ 6:26 am

well at least they are not labelmates.........sm will only distribute their music like loen does or did :/ but i do wonder if he aswell as infinite will have contact with any sm artists :/ PLEASEEEE READ THE ARTICLE ABOUT THIS BETTER!!! some people get really confused and think infinite are under sm now WHICH IS NOT TRUE!! 

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vellastarr
· Posted August 9, 2013 @ 1:02 am

And now Woollim is merging with SM C&C Kekekekekeke

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kiryuzero
· Posted July 17, 2013 @ 12:50 am

Interesting considering that L and Infinite as a whole isn't as talented vocally as EXO, even compared to EXO's subunits, Infinite's vocal ability isn't as strong. Just listen to the type of songs EXO sings versus Infinite's too. EXO has better range with their voices thus the vocal arrangement for their R&B ballads and hip hop songs are impressive. Infinite has Woohyun who is low, Sungkyu who is high...then who else? The rappers of EXO can sing well and harmonize too. This is just my opinion and I am basing this on being a big fan of both groups. And I listened to EXO-K's Wolf leaked demo release and the vocal ability is heard. Then listening to their recent album, R&B is back and I love it. Infinite is more indie, I guess. It is easier on the general kpop public, not that risky. Whereas EXO is taking chances finding their niche in a genre that isn't as popular in kpop. But their voices lend themselves to this niche. And we can't compare their dancing considering that EXO is hip hop and allows for more freedom and individuality from each member, whereas Infinite is more robotic, their moves are precise and clean. Each member dancing as one whole unit. Both are impressive, both are distinct, both groups are talented. But come on L. You of all people should not be saying this. EXO trained for sure, but they have innate talent too that's why they stand out as rookies. Their talent level isn't rookie-like at all. One half of their vocal line trained and debuted in less than a year. So we cannot throw that out that SM talents are made, they are taught to hone their talents so that the group members can compliment one another. Just an opinion. I love both groups. Just putting in my two-cents worth and leaving. 

nashityph
· Posted August 7, 2013 @ 3:30 am
(I'm a fan of both) You make make good points and I agree with a lot of what you said. But keep in mind EXO has 12 members INFINITE has 7... Also LuHan was scouted bc of his looks and the scout invited him to participate in the auditions. SM does in fact pay more attention to looks than talent. L wasn't saying all SM artist arent talented. but to be honest most of the artist on the label were paid attention to bc of it. A lot of the EXO members have had prior training before even being trainees at SM. INFINITE for the most part started off fresh besides Sungyeol (was an SM trainee as an actor and MC) and Woohyun (did some performances).
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chillychews
· Posted August 20, 2013 @ 1:49 pm
Remember that this comment was made when he was a netizen, before he became a member of INFINITE. Singing wise, EXO has three main vocalists who were already considered very capable before their training at SM and didn't require much help. INFINITE has 2 main vocalists who are also very skilled as well and they have less members so it works. In terms of dancing, EXO does have a few very talented dance members (I love Kai!) but INFINITE is often recognized for their consistent, synchronized movements. I think I went off a tangent here, trying to protect INFINITE but I also believe there is some truth in L's comment. SM has many talented artists but I think they focus on looks more than other companies. I feel like YG and JYP are more open to people who aren't 'picture-perfect models' but have strong skills.
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lumineuse
· Posted August 21, 2013 @ 4:43 am
Other than the fact that you completely misinterpreted what L actually said, the issue with you here is that all you cared about was EXO. SM does have a lot of groups, right? Why are you vehemently defending only EXO? You're over hyping their skills (Baekhyun and Chen are decent, the rest fall into the wayside vocally, be realistic here if you're going to talk shit about another group) while undermining INFINITE's own. And that's where your argument weakens and it's undeniably biased as hell. "Love both groups", lol. I enjoy this statement the most. Talk presumptuous babble on a group you "love" while proving the exact complete opposite in the same comment. Love my ass. INFINITE doesn't need any support/love from two faced people, just focus on EXO and stay there.
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normalperson
· Posted December 9, 2013 @ 9:24 am
@lumineuse I believe that the one who has misinterpreted what she was trying to say is you. Do you have a problem with people liking both EXO and Infinite? She was just stating what she thinks, also, it isn't up to you to decide whether Infinite should not have support/love from two faced people. There isn't a limit as to how many groups you can like, so you should stop acting like you care for Infinite and not want two faced people to like Infinite. Just an advice for you- Stop thinking that your English is so good and go around commenting about them being biased, you should get a life and spend more time revising for your English.
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lumineuse
· Posted December 9, 2013 @ 7:15 pm
@normalperson LOL. Oh gawd, this was amusing. Thanks.
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normalperson
· Posted December 9, 2013 @ 10:30 pm
@lumineuse Thanks man, your reply was much more amusing.
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lumineuse
· Posted December 10, 2013 @ 4:43 pm
@normalperson You're welcome. Because I rather do that than waste my time replying to the entirety of your unbelievable (not in a good way) post.
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normalperson
· Posted December 11, 2013 @ 2:56 am
@lumineuse Well you should look at your own post first.
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lumineuse
· Posted December 11, 2013 @ 10:48 pm
@normalperson Uh-huh...right.
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moxcrunner1
· Posted June 20, 2013 @ 7:19 pm

Alright, this kind of crap pisses me off. Not L's comment, that was innocent enough, everybody in the comments saying that SM's got no talent whereas YG and JYP do. Lets look at the facts- SM has some of the best vocalists in all of Kpop in its lineup- SJ KRY is without a doubt the most vocally sound male group in Kpop. SNSD is one of the best girl groups in terms of vocals as well, if not the top. In dancing, SM is also consistently impressive, and it seems to me that SM has a whole lot more good dancers than YG, although YG does have a few. The only thing I really see YG as being better at than SM is rapping. That's it. Now since when did rapping become enough to overcome vocal talent and dancing skill in a genre that is dominated by singing groups? SM has just as much talent as any other company, plain and simple.

miki2279
· Posted June 30, 2013 @ 11:12 pm
i disagree at some points.. i don't think SM dancers have a chance against JYP's dancers.SM only have those "perfect" idols because they put them in a hard and strict life,they suffer A LOT of pressure.YG has a lot more liberty compared to SM that's why their talents aren't the best.
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moxcrunner1
· Posted July 4, 2013 @ 1:33 pm
@miki2279 I understand what you're saying, but I also disagree with it. First, from what I've seen, I personally think SM's dancers could go toe-to-toe with JYP. However, their dancers specialize largely in different styles, so that's kind of hard to measure. And anyways, I wasn't really talking about JYP, as I don't actually know that much about them:P And about the strictness of their training, that's kind of beside the point, isn't it? However they got their talents/skills, they have them now. Even if they did get to be good singers or dancers through training, they're still good singers and dancers. If YG's idols don't have as developed of talents because they weren't as harsh with the training, then that's their loss. What irks me is when people then say that SM has no talent, when it's just not true. Just because they trained to get it doesn't mean it's worth any less.
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miki2279
· Posted July 12, 2013 @ 12:40 am
@moxcrunner1 i sent a messege but it seems it didn't work it so i will send it again just in case... if sm didn't treat their trainees as bad as they treat now they wouldn't be so good and the number 1 company. I saw a list that idols (around 77 idols,20 groups?) listed the best female and male dancers,singers,rappers,ulzzang.If you take a look most of them the 1st place is someone from YG.That's why,each person in YG has a talent,that makes YG "special",Minzy and Taeyang are the dancers,Dara and TOP are the pretty faces xD DG and TOP are the rappers and it goes on.JYP has some great dancers like Jia,but they don't let them show all they got which sucks..anyway I also hate when people say SM doesn't have talent haha for me the most talented person is Taeyeon :)
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moxcrunner1
· Posted July 17, 2013 @ 12:16 pm
@miki2279 I would really like to see that list, but I also would like to say that a lot of the those kinds of lists are pretty inaccurate. It's a subjective measure for the most part anyways, so that kind of a list just seems kind of pointless to me. In the end it usually comes down to a popularity contest.
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miki2279
· Posted July 23, 2013 @ 9:01 pm
@moxcrunner1 oh search on google "Idols cast their votes in five categories" and you will find it :)
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moxcrunner1
· Posted July 27, 2013 @ 2:15 pm
@miki2279 See yeah, I generally don't listen to polls like that, especially when you've got groups voting for polls they're included in. Idols in particular tend to have very odd ideas about their peers. For example, I once heard that Taeyeon had said she thought Sooyoung was the most popular GG member in Korea. What I noticed in this poll is that most of the people who won(not all, but most) are the people who are both A)Very famous, and B)Have a good amount of solo/subunit work under their belt. Honestly it looked a bit more like a popularity contest than anything. And beyond that, that was still a very small, biased test pool. Sorry I kinda ranted, but I'm just saying that that kind of a poll is more a publicity stunt than anything:/
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moxcrunner1
· Posted July 27, 2013 @ 2:15 pm
@miki2279 Thanks for giving the source, though.
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nashityph
· Posted August 7, 2013 @ 3:45 am
@moxcrunner1 "SM has a whole lot more good dancers than YG, although YG does have a few." Consider the number of SM artist with the number of YG artists. Of course when you have a bigger pull of people you're likely to find more. But yes Taeyang, Minzy, and CL were at the top of the polls in dancing ranked by other IDOLS. SM has the best singers and COLLECTIVELY dancers lol but something that SM lacks the most in out of the big three is creativity and artistry. Most SM artist don't have a say in their music or style. It's only when they become veterans they can open up their option a bit more (BoA,TVXQ,SJ, SNSD..) but still pretty limited. Where as JYP and YG artists have much more of a say (not completely tho). SM specializes in dancers the most. This is bc is much easier to each ppl how to dance than to sing well. Sm is full of pretty faces so their main option is to be good dancers. Where as YG and JYP make sure their artist are well rounded. SM trains artist to be "well rounded" but then after a certain point puts them in special categories. Ex: Hyoyeon: Got the most training in dance. Taeyeon, most in singing (out of the group)
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moxcrunner1
· Posted August 7, 2013 @ 11:28 am
@nashityph I disagree with you almost completely. Of the Big 3, SM's artists are by far the most well-rounded. All of them can sing to an acceptable degree, and dance to a pretty good standard. YG artists are actually the least well rounded. They tend to have people specialize in one thing. Just look at Big Bang- T.O.P.'s a great rapper, but he can't dance at all. Daesung's a great singer, but he's also pretty mediocre at dancing. Taeyang? He can dance, but honestly his singing(especially live) is pretty strained. Lee Hi? She can sing, but can't dance AT ALL. That's not to say that YG isn't well rounded, it's just that, out of the three, they tend to have the most specialization in individual members. And about input in their music- YG lets GD and Psy control their music, and that's about it. 2NE1? They're given songs just like everyone else. About the polls- again, I find that kind of poll completely unreliable. As I said before, idols tend to have very, very strange ideas about other idols' popularity/skills etc. Finally, about SM specializing in dancers- yes, they have a lot of good dancers. But I would argue that their main focus is actually vocals. Look at their track record- Hwanhee, SuJu KRY, Junsu, Taeyeon, Luna- Particularly on the boys' side, SM has absolutely dominated the top rankings of male vocals for a long, long time, and their girl groups aren't slouching either. So I would argue that, combined with their accomplishments with dancing, that makes SM a very talented group of people on the whole. That's not to belittle YG and JYP, of course- they both have very talented idols and consistently produce high-quality music. I'm just sick of everybody acting like YG are paragons of "talent before looks" and SM are "looks with no talent." It's just flat out not true.
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aridnie
· Posted June 20, 2013 @ 9:20 am

I hate when allkpop does this. They make is sound like people are saying nasty things about each other... but L was only commenting on how when he was looking at companies he was looking at outward appearances of them. Put your title lines with more truth.

lumineuse
· Posted August 21, 2013 @ 4:24 am
It's AKP. Trash journalism for the sake of hits.
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daedaett
· Posted June 16, 2013 @ 12:51 pm

woaaaah.......,,,,but naaahhhh......SM are awesome as much as I don't know JYP and YG and others...

still love you L

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naninuno96
· Posted June 15, 2013 @ 4:17 am

then what about you shindong? 60% looks? urmm

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amhyo
· Posted June 15, 2013 @ 3:46 am

Even though SMENT 60% looks and 40% talent.. they have their own talent.. ... But i think L is right!! 

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growingdaisy
· Posted June 14, 2013 @ 11:34 pm

As much as I love SJ (plus all their subgroups) I want to timidly admit that L is right. I mean, after TXVQ was disband SM downgraded on talent as well. Also, don't be mad at what L said because even EunHyuk and LeeTeuk said something similar to it on StarKing once.


But yeah, L got a point there. (please don't hate)

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jktaengoo
· Posted June 14, 2013 @ 9:38 pm

awks~~ x3 good thing hes from woollim now~~

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hissana
· Posted June 14, 2013 @ 7:17 am

sincerely Myungsoo xD
But actually they are talented! As much as other artists!

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Anna34
· Posted June 13, 2013 @ 12:13 pm

Looool! Awk-ward.

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kazusaimaiexo
· Posted June 13, 2013 @ 4:12 am

SUNNG JONG !!!

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hanin
· Posted June 13, 2013 @ 2:44 am

isnt that the truth? ;D but talent can sharpened through training isn't it.. ;p